How would the Yankees do with this Roster? (Closed??)

[Olerud363]

Was this thread closed?? Why?? This is actually a good question.

 

Can coaching and organizational philosaphy make a difference in player performance?? Some claim it did for Bautista.

 

We've seen Aaron Hill go from horrible to good in one year. Why did this happen?? Luck?? Coaching??

 

There are a huge number of variables that could make one organization better then another even with the same roster.

 

This was just on science daily....

 

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130531105506.htm

 

Fatigue and sleep linked to plate discipline. Could the Red Sox be ahead of the curve so to say on this?? Maybe they have curfew rules, advanced sleeping pills, lights out on the plane rules or something???

 

There are a million reasons why one organization could do better than another even with the same roster. It's atleast a topic worthy of discussion.

[Olerud363]

I think they'd be in first place. There actually is something to playing for a team with a history of winning, I'd love for someone to do a big study on it.

 

One guy who replied to the original thread seemed to say the same thing... but a little to troll like... claiming ridiculous things like Kawasaki would have 20 homeruns.

 

The question is difficult. I mean if you just sent all the players to the Yankees or Red Sox as is would they improve at all?? That's one version of the question.

 

There is another slightly different version where hypothetically if the Yankees or Red Sox acquired the same player in the same state the Blue Jays did would the player be better??

 

For example if Lind or Hill were drafted by the Red Sox would they of had a better career?? With more seasons at the top end of their performance range??

 

If Hutch or Drabek were developed by the red sox would they be healthier?? Would Morrow and Romero (assuming they were aquired at the same stage) be more consistent??

 

For guys like Buerhle, and Dickey would they avoid a couple of months of 5+ era if they were acquired by the Red sox/yanks/rays?? Or is that just something that would of happened anywhere??

[connorp]

I'm quite the believer in NYY magic/horseshit, although there's no way to quantify it. The universe's way of trolling all the NYY haters.

[ElNik2013]

It's the pitching stupid

[GD]

Vernon Wells: -0.23 WPA, -0.59 clutch rating

 

GETTING IT DONE AT THE RIGHT TIME

 

Fangraphs' clutch stats are great.

 

i wonder if your generic clutch rating measure whether the at bat is against a division opponent or even further a division opponent who is desperate for the win..

 

LOLOLOL what is this

[GD]

Yeah, but basically only for destroying false narratives, lol.

 

Is there really anything more fun than destroying false narratives?

[GD]

so an opinion has become a narrative?? so lets hear the true narrative enlightened ones

 

There are plenty of narratives here. That the Yankees pickups have been playing amazingly, that clutchness is a thing, stuff like that. Especially the desperation part.

[GD]

well i personally dont recall me saying any yankee player has been amazing.

 

You said:

 

ok explain this year???? a culture of winning had no affect on wells or overbay?

 

Which to an extent perpetuates the falsehood.

 

also you agreed with the clutch stat and yet you don't believe its real?? thats ok

 

I'm speaking to the lack of correlation year-to-year

[TheHurl]

It was closed because it's a stupid question which would bring out stupid people. My point proven!

[Olerud363]

It was closed because it's a stupid question which would bring out stupid people. My point proven!

 

OK. It's obviously brought out some stupid people. The Yankees are not really that good this year and these people don't quite get that.

 

The reason the Yankees are better then the Jays is pitching. The Jays offense is better. The Jays are 20 runs better on offense, the Yankees 70 runs better on defense.

 

The overall difference is 50 runs. All (Edit: much) of it explained by the differences between Sabathia/Kuroda, and Dickey/Buerhle.

 

Last year according to bbref Sabathia/Kuroda were worth 9 WAR, and Dickey/Buehrle 9.3 WAR. Their ages are comparable, though Dickey/Buehrle are about 1 year older.

 

This year Dickey/Buehrle are at -0.2 WAR, Sabathia/Kuroda at about 3.2. So that's 3.4 wins there. A couple of wins is luck. Then there are little differences all over the place obviously. Phelps/Petite are healthier and outperforming Morrow/Johnson.

 

The yankees emergency starter is some kid Nuno who is almost a win better then Ramon Ortiz.

 

It's a complicate issue not explained by "clutchiness" or "the will to win" or some garbage. The real questions are.

 

1. Could the Yankees get a better performance out of Buerle and Dickey?

2. Could the Yankees get Ricky Romero on track or even avoid the meltdown?

3. Could the Yankees get more out of Morrow/Johnson??

4. Could the Yankees do a better job getting guys like Nolin ready for his first start and avoiding Ramon Ortiz??

 

On offense

 

1. Could the Yankees keep J.P. Arencibia's k/bb ratio sane?? (see Middlebrooks W., good organizations can have fustrating guys).

2. Could the Yankees get anything from Izturis/Boni??

3. Could the Yankees get more from Lawrie/Rasmus?? Would getting these guys in a better mental state help them?? If so could the Yankees get them in a better mental state?