Eric Wedge on Ackley demote "sabermetric wizards are to blame"

[Angrioter]

Wedge… intimated that Ackley might have been too concerned with pitch selectivity and high on-base percentage, leading to a one-liner that hit on one of baseball’s most intriguing ongoing philosophical battles.

 

“It’s the new generation. It’s all this sabermetrics stuff, for lack of a better term, you know what I mean?” Wedge said. “People who haven’t played since they were 9 years old think they have it figured out. It gets in these kids’ heads.”

 

http://mlb.si.com/2013/05/28/dustin-ackley-eric-wedge-sabermetrics-mariners/

 

lol

[Deadpool]

That was HILARIOUS. "you people pointing out what makes a baseball player good makes players want to be good and then they are bad!"

[GD]

What the..

[fatcowxlive]

Wedge… intimated that Ackley might have been too concerned with pitch selectivity and high on-base percentage, leading to a one-liner that hit on one of baseball’s most intriguing ongoing philosophical battles.

 

“It’s the new generation. It’s all this sabermetrics stuff, for lack of a better term, you know what I mean?” Wedge said. “People who haven’t played since they were 9 years old think they have it figured out. It gets in these kids’ heads.”

 

http://mlb.si.com/2013/05/28/dustin-ackley-eric-wedge-sabermetrics-mariners/

 

lol

 

Soooooooooooo he's worth about half as much as we think he's worth to the Mariners? Sweet! AA, if you want to redeem yourself, send Izzy and Rogers and see if they bite

[GD]

Soooooooooooo he's worth about half as much as we think he's worth to the Mariners?

 

Ackley makes for quite the interesting buy-low.

[fatcowxlive]

Ackley makes for quite the interesting buy-low.

 

We need to take a chance on him. We have to

[Angrioter]

So, in other words, Eric Wedge is a moron.

 

lo

Gibbons thinks the same, sure.

[Angrioter]

Maybe he's a good with the players and with the bullpen? At least the M's have a stats-friendly front office.

 

Wedge will be fired coming soon.

[Angrioter]

Would they be interested in Romero?

 

Romero is the man. Wedge don't know nothing about xFIP

[GD]

Would they be interested in Romero?

 

Romero for Ackley + Harang/Saunders?

[Angrioter]

More like Romero + Rasmus + $20M for Ackley + Saunders.

 

Joe Saunders right? lol

[Angrioter]

People need to really forget about Romero as anything but a huge negative-value asset. Guy has 20 walks and 3 strikeouts in 13 AAA innings, and is owed over $15 million.

 

 

Reported

 

So cruel and sincere

[fatcowxlive]

Romero is the man. Wedge don't know nothing about xFIP

 

But he does know about walks and Romero's 20 walks in 13 AAA innings is bad lol

 

Romero for Ackley + Harang/Saunders?

 

Romero's worth that much? I thought you'd have to throw Izturis and maybe a fringe reliever to get it done for Ackley alone

 

Romero's too lost and has a big contract. Hopefully Brett Lawrie never ends up a candidate

 

Well they think Ackley's lost too, and I'm sure Wedge has memories of Romero's sub 3-ERA season 2 years ago, just throw in money in the deal

 

Romero + $15 million + something else of value could do the trick.

 

That's a steal

[GD]

More like Romero + Rasmus + $20M for Ackley + Saunders.

 

Oh, throwing Saunders into this too? I'd do that.

 

Romero's worth that much? I thought you'd have to throw Izturis and maybe a fringe reliever to get it done for Ackley alone

 

Izturis has been kinda terrible.

[Dr Negative]

There are a lot of reclamation projects on the Mariners. I wouldn't mind trying to fix Smoak as well.

[Dr. Dinger]

I don't know how you f*** up three consecutive can't-miss big bat prospects (Smoak, Ackley, Montero). Hitting in Safeco must really mess with these kids' approaches.

[TheHurl]

Wedge… intimated that Ackley might have been too concerned with pitch selectivity and high on-base percentage, leading to a one-liner that hit on one of baseball’s most intriguing ongoing philosophical battles.

 

“It’s the new generation. It’s all this sabermetrics stuff, for lack of a better term, you know what I mean?” Wedge said. “People who haven’t played since they were 9 years old think they have it figured out. It gets in these kids’ heads.”

 

http://mlb.si.com/2013/05/28/dustin-ackley-eric-wedge-sabermetrics-mariners/

 

lol

 

If you remember in Moneyball there was a section where Alderson talked about how he started preaching OBP and how players were refused a promotion if they didn't have a 10% BB rate...every one of their affiliates led their league in BB rate but then they got to the majors and LaRussa wasn't buying into it and they were only middle of the pack in the majors. Guys like Giambi were confused by it when they first came up. They replaced TLR with Art Howe and even said you are here to follow an org wide initiative and if you don't follow it you will be fired. Managers have to learn to let players be who they are, especially when it was successful in the minors. I have no idea how many pitches Ackley took in the minors but if he was selective then, he should be now.

[Angrioter]

If you remember in Moneyball there was a section where Alderson talked about how he started preaching OBP and how players were refused a promotion if they didn't have a 10% BB rate...every one of their affiliates led their league in BB rate but then they got to the majors and LaRussa wasn't buying into it and they were only middle of the pack in the majors. Guys like Giambi were confused by it when they first came up. They replaced TLR with Art Howe and even said you are here to follow an org wide initiative and if you don't follow it you will be fired. Managers have to learn to let players be who they are, especially when it was successful in the minors. I have no idea how many pitches Ackley took in the minors but if he was selective then, he should be now.

 

Ala Gibbons (EE, Lind and Jose are selective at home plate....Rasmus, JPA 1st pitch swing...Boni bunt the 1st pitch)

[Angrioter]

 

 

Wedge is a 2 years old child compared to Zaun.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Did Eric Wedge say this before or after his team lost 8 in a row?

[Deadpool]

"Aunque el mono se vista de seda, mono se queda" or "Although the monkey dressed in silk, mono stays"

 

Lind will remain Lind until the end of time.

 

2013 Lind doesn't look much like 2011 Lind...

[G-Snarls]

People need to really forget about Romero as anything but a huge negative-value asset. Guy has 20 walks and 3 strikeouts in 13 AAA innings, and is owed over $15 million.

 

J. P. Ricciardi sez "I never should have drafted him"

[Deadpool]

Yep. He's only having success BECAUSE he's not facing any lefties.

 

Well, the past few years he wasn't exactly tearing it up against righties either...

[Angrioter]

J. P. Ricciardi sez "I never should have drafted him"

 

JPR was very honest, now I respect him a little more.

[Deadpool]

He's been okay though, from 2010-2012 he hit .268/.321/.480 against righties.

 

Admittedly, I only looked at 2011 and 2012 and he had sub .800 OPSs both those years, which would be fine for a CF or a SS who could field, but isn't particularly great for a platoon DH/1B.

[CHRIS]

JPR was very honest, now I respect him a little more.

 

He was? The "it's not a lie if we know the truth" guy?

 

He sure talked a lot, but that's different than being honest.

[Angrioter]

He was? The "it's not a lie if we know the truth" guy?

 

He sure talked a lot, but that's different than being honest.

 

What about AA?

"JJ will miss 2 outings"

"Santos has a slight discomfort, out 2 or 3 days"

"Hutchison don't need surgery"

[sachmo55]

Against Sabermetrics

Wants hitters to hit dat ball for produkshion rather than working the count

 

I think we just found AA's ideal manager

[Angrioter]

Wedge ideal team

 

C - JPA

1B - Morse

2B - Aviles

3B - Middlebrooks

SS - Betancourt

LF - Viciedo

CF - Carlos Gomez

RF - Francoeur

DH - Delmon Young

[Deadpool]

Wedge ideal team

 

C - JPA

1B - Morse

2B - Aviles

3B - Middlebrooks

SS - Betancourt

LF - Viciedo

CF - Carlos Gomez

RF - Francoeur

DH - Delmon Young