Post Game Thread: May 12, 2013. Toronto 12 - 4 Red Sox

[GD]

Your best power hitter should never hit second........... Your best contact hitter should.

 

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

 

Either Bautista 4th and Encarnacion 2nd or Bautista 2nd with Encarnacion 4th is the way to go, and I'd rather the former.

[Metallijay]

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by

 

Either Bautista 4th and Encarnacion 2nd or Bautista 2nd with Encarnacion 4th is the way to go, and I'd rather the former.

 

Disagree, neither of those guys should bat second, melky is the best 2 hole hitter but he has struggled this year. If lawrie gets going maybe him second, but not until he gets his head out of his rear. Bautista should be third and EE fourth.

[GD]

Disagree, neither of those guys should bat second, melky is the best 2 hole hitter but he has struggled this year. If lawrie gets going maybe him second, but not until he gets his head out of his rear. Bautista should be third and EE fourth.

 

Do you have any actual argument or do you respectfully disagree?

[Metallijay]

Do you have any actual argument or do you respectfully disagree?

 

Your power hitters hit third and fourth when more guys are on base, thats how its suppose to work. I can think for myself I don't need to google some lineup chart lol. Best contact hitter second, power hitters 3 and 4. It's been that way since the beginning of the 1900's.

[John_Havok]

Disagree, neither of those guys should bat second, melky is the best 2 hole hitter but he has struggled this year. If lawrie gets going maybe him second, but not until he gets his head out of his rear. Bautista should be third and EE fourth.

 

Well in the absence of a real leadoff hitter, I have no issues with Melky hitting leadoff with Jose and Edwin right behind him. what I would love even more is Lind to keep up his hitting so he could hit third between Jose and Edwin against RHP until Reyes comes back. Against LHP, I would probably move him lower to 5th or 6th.

[GD]

Your power hitters hit third and fourth when more guys are on base, thats how its suppose to work. I can think for myself I don't need to google some lineup chart lol. Best contact hitter second, power hitters 3 and 4. It's been that way since the beginning of the 1900's.

 

So just because some people used to do something a long time ago when teams didn't know as much as they do now means that we have to keep doing stuff that way? Ooooooookay.

[John_Havok]

Your power hitters hit third and fourth when more guys are on base, thats how its suppose to work. I can think for myself I don't need to google some lineup chart lol. Best contact hitter second, power hitters 3 and 4. It's been that way since the beginning of the 1900's.

 

And your #3 hitter comes up the most times with nobody on base and 2 outs. In reality, lineup construction really matters very little. And making the argument that " it's been that way since the beginning of the 1900's" doesn't mean it's right.

[Metallijay]

So just because some people used to do something a long time ago when teams didn't know as much as they do now means that we have to keep doing stuff that way? Ooooooookay.

 

Umm no did you ignore the part where the second hitter needs to be a contact guy? 3 and 4 to drive guys in? You take the bat out of EE and JB's hands if your lead off guy gets on and they need to take pitches to see if a steal or hit and run is on...... Second hole is for a contact hitter, who takes pitches if leadoff guy gets on.

[GD]

And your #3 hitter comes up the most times with nobody on base and 2 outs. In reality, lineup construction really matters very little. And making the argument that " it's been that way since the beginning of the 1900's" doesn't mean it's right.

 

Well, it makes a difference of, on average, 1 win per season, but when you're going all in, you need to find value any way you can.

[Metallijay]

And your #3 hitter comes up the most times with nobody on base and 2 outs. In reality, lineup construction really matters very little. And making the argument that " it's been that way since the beginning of the 1900's" doesn't mean it's right.

 

DUH but for those times when the first 2 guys get on yeah, pretty common sense. Again second guy needs to take pitches if lead off guy gets on if a steal is on. Takes the bat out of your power guys hands.

[GD]

Umm no did you ignore the part where the second hitter needs to be a contact guy? 3 and 4 to drive guys in? You take the bat out of EE and JB's hands if your lead off guy gets on and they need to take pitches to see if a steal or hit and run is on...... Second hole is for a contact hitter, who takes pitches if leadoff guy gets on.

 

Do you have any reasons for stating these things?

 

I think your ninth hitter needs to be your power hitter to drive in the 8 guys in front of him and your #4 hitter should be your worst. There, I just made a random assertion like you did. It's easy to make an argument and not actually back it up.

[Candy Maldonado]

Umm no did you ignore the part where the second hitter needs to be a contact guy? 3 and 4 to drive guys in? You take the bat out of EE and JB's hands if your lead off guy gets on and they need to take pitches to see if a steal or hit and run is on...... Second hole is for a contact hitter, who takes pitches if leadoff guy gets on.

 

Why not put your contact guy first so he gets on and then your number 2 guy is a power guy to drive him in?

[John_Havok]

Well, it makes a difference of, on average, 1 win per season, but when you're going all in, you need to find value any way you can.

 

Oh I know, I'm really just arguing against the "it's been that way since 1900 so it must be right" point that metallijay is trying to throw out there. Heck, we used to build things from asbestos since the early 1900's too, sure glad we learned how stupid that was.

 

I wonder how the NFL would look right now without the forward pass.... or basketball without dunking? Sure glad those other sports were able to get past the "it's been this way since X date" garbage line of thinking.

[Metallijay]

Do you have any reasons for stating these things?

 

I think your ninth hitter needs to be your power hitter to drive in the 8 guys in front of him and your #4 hitter should be your worst. There, I just made a random assertion like you did. It's easy to make an argument and not actually back it up.

 

This is one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen, it's pretty easy to understand.................. You want your best run producers with a chance to drive in runs at the beginning of the game, not hitting second. Did you ignore the point about whenh the leadoff guy gets on you want a contact hitter for hit and runs, and to take pitches if a steal is on? Keep ignoring common sense. You take the bat out of your power hitters hand.

[Metallijay]

Oh I know, I'm really just arguing against the "it's been that way since 1900 so it must be right" point that metallijay is trying to throw out there. Heck, we used to build things from asbestos since the early 1900's too, sure glad we learned how stupid that was.

 

I wonder the NFL would look right now without the forward pass.... or basketball without dunking? Sure glad those other sports were able to get past the "it's been this way since X date" garbage line of thinking.

 

Another guy who ignores most of my post.......reading comprehension a lost art.

[jays_fever]

Do you have any reasons for stating these things?

 

I think your ninth hitter needs to be your power hitter to drive in the 8 guys in front of him and your #4 hitter should be your worst. There, I just made a random assertion like you did. It's easy to make an argument and not actually back it up.

 

Lol no he doesnt, he prefers to talk out of his ass and use what a bunch of old guys tell him is right rather than use new data because its to complicated for him. This is a guy who uses a 30AB sample over what someone did the previous 2 seasons to determine tendencies

[Metallijay]

Lol no he doesnt, he prefers to talk out of his ass and use what a bunch of old guys tell him is right rather than use new data because its to complicated for him. This is a guy who uses a 30AB sample over what someone did the previous 2 seasons to determine tendencies

 

Another guy who ignores my points and cannot refute. YEs you guys are ahead of the times, and know more then all baseball experts lol.

[Metallijay]

YEs having JB taking pitches and waiting for the guy to steal is a good way to utilize his power...brainless.

[John_Havok]

Another guy who ignores most of my post.......reading comprehension a lost art.

 

So is logical thought, progressive thinking and the ability to make an argument using said skills.

[Candy Maldonado]

Another guy who ignores my points and cannot refute. YEs you guys are ahead of the times, and know more then all baseball experts lol.

 

Which troll from the other board are you?

[Metallijay]

So is logical thought, progressive thinking and the ability to make an argument using said skills.

 

You have neither point?

[John_Havok]

You have neither point?

 

You pigeonholed the #2 hitter on the team. He must be X. He cannot be anything else. He must be X. So therefore, if you aren't X, you can't hit in the # 2 spot. There is no room for any other way of thinking.

 

Yep, I'm the one dismissing other ideas and progressive thinking and logic.

[GD]

Oh I know, I'm really just arguing against the "it's been that way since 1900 so it must be right" point that metallijay is trying to throw out there. Heck, we used to build things from asbestos since the early 1900's too, sure glad we learned how stupid that was.

 

I wonder how the NFL would look right now without the forward pass.... or basketball without dunking? Sure glad those other sports were able to get past the "it's been this way since X date" garbage line of thinking.

 

It's a really retarded train of thought.

 

This is one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen, it's pretty easy to understand.................. You want your best run producers with a chance to drive in runs at the beginning of the game, not hitting second. Did you ignore the point about whenh the leadoff guy gets on you want a contact hitter for hit and runs, and to take pitches if a steal is on? Keep ignoring common sense. You take the bat out of your power hitters hand.

 

Holy s*** stop f***ing making random assertions and ignoring facts you complete f***ing idiot, jeebus.

 

Another guy who ignores most of my post.......reading comprehension a lost art.

 

So is grammar, which you have no grasp of, spelling, which you have no grasp of, and having some god damn f***ing sense, WHICH YOU HAVE NONE OF.

 

Another guy who ignores my points and cannot refute. YEs you guys are ahead of the times, and know more then all baseball experts lol.

 

Oh, no, see, we're agreeing with the people who know more than us, and disagreeing with idiots like you.

[John_Havok]

Jesus man, 1330 posts in just over a week?

 

Do you ever leave the house?

[Metallijay]

You pigeonholed the #2 hitter on the team. He must be X. He cannot be anything else. He must be X. So therefore, if you aren't X, you can't hit in the # 2 spot. There is no room for any other way of thinking.

 

Yep, I'm the one dismissing other ideas and progressive thinking and logic.

 

Logic is the #2 guys has to MOVE the runner over or take pitches if they want to steal, both scenariops take the bat out of their hands. Doing that with JB is idiotic. #2 moves the runner over the the rbi guys, that's logic. LEarn some.

[jays_fever]

Another guy who ignores my points and cannot refute. YEs you guys are ahead of the times, and know more then all baseball experts lol.

 

It isnt us you idiot. Its professionals who analyze the game and have spent a lot more time than ex players and "experts from mlb.com" in determine what constitutes a good player and finding any advantage a team can. Because we arent dumb jocks and actually have an open mind we are someone inferior to your baseball knowledge right. The above 2 posters keep refuted your points, yet all you can comeback with is that they cant read properly.

[GD]

Jesus man, 1330 posts in just over a week?

 

Do you ever leave the house?

 

Unlike Chappy, I don't get sunburned from being in the light for over 5 minutes, so occasionally, yeah. I've been busy with school this week though so I've stayed home and posted in the mean time. I've been out for the majority of the weekend, though.

[Metallijay]

It's a really retarded train of thought.

 

 

 

Holy s*** stop f***ing making random assertions and ignoring facts you complete f***ing idiot, jeebus.

 

 

 

So is grammar, which you have no grasp of, spelling, which you have no grasp of, and having some god damn f***ing sense, WHICH YOU HAVE NONE OF.

 

 

 

Oh, no, see, we're agreeing with the people who know more than us, and disagreeing with idiots like you.

 

The moment you resort to name calling, insults and bringing up grammar, you know you are clueless, immature and have zero argument.

[jays_fever]

Logic is the #2 guys has to MOVE the runner over or take pitches if they want to steal, both scenariops take the bat out of their hands. Doing that with JB is idiotic. #2 moves the runner over the the rbi guys, that's logic. LEarn some.

 

Why not just put the pitcher in the two hole and just bunt him over? Just moving the runner over from first to second again is stupid.

[GD]

Logic is the #2 guys has to MOVE the runner over or take pitches if they want to steal, both scenariops take the bat out of their hands. Doing that with JB is idiotic. #2 moves the runner over the the rbi guys, that's logic. LEarn some.

 

MOVING THE RUNNER OVER CAN INCLUDE DOUBLES TRIPLES AND HOME RUNS, ALL OF WHICH BAUTISTA CAN PROVIDE MORE THAN OTHER PLAYERS ON THE TEAM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TRIPLES, GOD.

 

Because we arent dumb jocks and actually have an open mind we are someone inferior to your baseball knowledge right.

 

As someone who plays sports on a fairly regular basis, I'm offended.