A Very Darrelly Dynasty League

[KingKat]

Just to let you all know, we will be compensating Boxy for Oscar Taveras. The exact degree to which he'll be compensated is TBD, but given the circumstances, I think we can all agree it's fair. This will probably involve additional and/or upgraded draft picks.

 

I agree with this. It's a shame that we don't have an existing framework for it but not having one shouldn't prevent us from making one up on the fly. Let's just be careful not to create a loophole whereby someone can leverage the death of a minor prospect for gain.

[Dr. Dinger]

I agree with this. It's a shame that we don't have an existing framework for it but not having one shouldn't prevent us from making one up on the fly. Let's just be careful not to create a loophole whereby someone can leverage the death of a minor prospect for gain.

 

We have discussed this, and deaths will be compensated on a case by case basis, as appropriate. If a 38 year old fringy reliever dies, you can't expect much. However, I think we all viewed Taveras as a dynasty building block, and Boxy gave up a lot to get him. Nothing can replace an asset like that, but he will be compensated to an appropriate degree.

[Boxcar]

Just to let you all know, we will be compensating Boxy for Oscar Taveras. The exact degree to which he'll be compensated is TBD, but given the circumstances, I think we can all agree it's fair. This will probably involve additional and/or upgraded draft picks.

 

I wasn't expecting that but thanks. Really tragic.

[z3r0s]

This is just going to be a s***** issue to deal with on all sides. Trying to put a value on the 'asset' feels wrong... but not addressing it isn't right either.

[Dr. Dinger]

This is just going to be a s***** issue to deal with on all sides. Trying to put a value on the 'asset' feels wrong... but not addressing it isn't right either.

 

There's really no way to fully compensate him. We have decided on the compensation, and I think I can safely say no one would have traded Oscar for the compensation we'll be awarding. Nevertheless, it will give Boxy a helping hand in getting his franchise back on track without unfairly affecting the rest of us. NJH will be sending out a communication on this matter shortly.

[Fearthedoc]

This will be a tricky one. The obvious answer is to load Boxy with a couple front end MiLB picks come June. The counter to that is that it would be screwing the other owners over who hold top 5 picks. There's a big dropoff after the top 4/5 guys.

 

I hope we can find something that makes sense because I agree Boxy should be compensated. That's a massive blow.

[GD]

This will be a tricky one. The obvious answer is to load Boxy with a couple front end MiLB picks come June. The counter to that is that it would be screwing the other owners over who hold top 5 picks. There's a big dropoff after the top 4/5 guys.

 

I hope we can find something that makes sense because I agree Boxy should be compensated. That's a massive blow.

 

Disagree

 

There's a strong top 10 from the draft + guys that will pop up

[Laika]

Dinger, BTS, and I have discussed the issue and decided to compensate Boxy for the sudden and unexpected loss of Oscar Taveras.

 

We stress that this does not set a precedent for valuable compensation for all untimely deaths or retirements. It will always be a case-by-case basis. The main factors here are seen as such:

 

1) the sheer upside and long term value that Oscar Taveras held in a dynasty format like this (talent + age)

2) the utterly unexpected nature of the loss (contrast with a long rumoured retirement, or a sudden retirement in a player's early 30's)

3) the state of Boxy's team

4) the combination of 1) and 3) (relative value of Oscar to Boxy's team).

 

We have decided to give Boxy a first round draft pick immediately following the 'lottery' picks in this summer's MiLB draft, and a guaranteed 2nd overall pick in the 2016 MiLB draft (lottery will occur for picks #1-5 and Boxy's guaranteed pick will be labelled as 1B).

 

The 2015 pick will be labelled as 5B in the spreadsheet. It will technically be the 6th overall pick, so any MiLB pick numbered 6 or greater will be one slot worse.

 

The 2016 pick will not be tradable by Boxy until the rest of the 2016 draft picks become tradable.

 

The 2016 pick will be in addition to Boxy's normal first round pick. If Boxy finishes in the bottom five in 2015 and wins the draft lottery for the 2016 MiLB draft, the guaranteed 2nd overall compensation pick labelled 1B will turn into a guaranteed 3rd overall compensation pick labelled 2B.

 

Please note that Boxy did not approach any of us asking for compensation. He never so much as hinted at it.

 

Also please note that while this 5B pick immediately depresses the value of later draft picks by a small amount, Boxy's MLB team just suffered a rather sudden and catastrophic loss relative to every other team in the league. If your draft feels "wronged" by this unilateral compensation, take a minute to reflect on how your MLB team was just given a sudden leg up on a competitor (using the most liberal possible definition of "competitor"....)

 

On the issue of whether or not this is "fair" compensation, we would argue that very few people in this league would have traded Oscar Taveras for a 6th overall pick + a 2nd overall pick two drafts from now. We are not trying to approximate the value of Taveras here, although that is of course part of the consideration.

 

If you are strongly against this compensation please send a PM to me on proboards. In lieu of a vote on this issue, if a fair number of people privately express disagreement with what we have done here, we might consider changing what we have awarded Boxy.

 

RIP Oscar

 

[jays_fever]

No one should really object to this. You could award Boxy the 2nd overall pick in the 2015 pick, pushing my pick back and I wouldnt say anything.

[torontofan]

Wow, I just got off work and had no idea what happened until I googled it. RIP Oscar Taveras

[Fearthedoc]

I dont think anyone will have a problem with that. Lets hope were never put in a situation like this again.

 

RIP Oscar

[Boxcar]

Thanks for that. I wasn't expecting any compensation.

[The Cats Ass]

Tim Hudson has just been moved. So now who wants a younger version of him... Jeff Locke! He's had an ERA under 4 over both of the past 2 years. It was even under 3.00 at one point this season. He can be had for cheap!

[KingKat]

Tim Hudson has just been moved. So now who wants a younger version of him... Jeff Locke! He's had an ERA under 4 over both of the past 2 years. It was even under 3.00 at one point this season. He can be had for cheap!

 

At the risk of attracting derision, I might actually be interested.

[BTS]

Jason Vargas and Tsuyoshi Wada available for a prospect.

[Laika]

Hard to believe a playoff hopeful doesn't want Utley as a primary 2B or even UTIL / 2B backup.

 

Maybe I'll just keep him.

[BTS]

Whoever Jonathan Schoop belongs to: identify yourself so you can take him back.

[The Cats Ass]

Whoever Jonathan Schoop belongs to: identify yourself so you can take him back.

 

Well it's a good thing I didn't pick Schoop...

[Dr. Dinger]

Dinger, BTS, and I have discussed the issue and decided to compensate Boxy for the sudden and unexpected loss of Oscar Taveras.

 

We stress that this does not set a precedent for valuable compensation for all untimely deaths or retirements. It will always be a case-by-case basis. The main factors here are seen as such:

 

1) the sheer upside and long term value that Oscar Taveras held in a dynasty format like this (talent + age)

2) the utterly unexpected nature of the loss (contrast with a long rumoured retirement, or a sudden retirement in a player's early 30's)

3) the state of Boxy's team

4) the combination of 1) and 3) (relative value of Oscar to Boxy's team).

 

We have decided to give Boxy a first round draft pick immediately following the 'lottery' picks in this summer's MiLB draft, and a guaranteed 2nd overall pick in the 2016 MiLB draft (lottery will occur for picks #1-5 and Boxy's guaranteed pick will be labelled as 1B).

 

The 2015 pick will be labelled as 5B in the spreadsheet. It will technically be the 6th overall pick, so any MiLB pick numbered 6 or greater will be one slot worse.

 

The 2016 pick will not be tradable by Boxy until the rest of the 2016 draft picks become tradable.

 

The 2016 pick will be in addition to Boxy's normal first round pick. If Boxy finishes in the bottom five in 2015 and wins the draft lottery for the 2016 MiLB draft, the guaranteed 2nd overall compensation pick labelled 1B will turn into a guaranteed 3rd overall compensation pick labelled 2B.

 

Please note that Boxy did not approach any of us asking for compensation. He never so much as hinted at it.

 

Also please note that while this 5B pick immediately depresses the value of later draft picks by a small amount, Boxy's MLB team just suffered a rather sudden and catastrophic loss relative to every other team in the league. If your draft feels "wronged" by this unilateral compensation, take a minute to reflect on how your MLB team was just given a sudden leg up on a competitor (using the most liberal possible definition of "competitor"....)

 

On the issue of whether or not this is "fair" compensation, we would argue that very few people in this league would have traded Oscar Taveras for a 6th overall pick + a 2nd overall pick two drafts from now. We are not trying to approximate the value of Taveras here, although that is of course part of the consideration.

 

If you are strongly against this compensation please send a PM to me on proboards. In lieu of a vote on this issue, if a fair number of people privately express disagreement with what we have done here, we might consider changing what we have awarded Boxy.

 

RIP Oscar

 

 

I missed this post, so I'm bumping just in case others did as well.

[Boxcar]

Hard to believe a playoff hopeful doesn't want Utley as a primary 2B or even UTIL / 2B backup.

 

Maybe I'll just keep him.

 

Wut u wan 4 him

[BTS]

Anyone want to trade me an Ike Davis/Matt Joyce kinda guy for a Tsuyoshi Wada/Jason Vargas kinda guy?

[NorthOf49]

Anyone want to trade me an Ike Davis/Matt Joyce kinda guy for a Tsuyoshi Wada/Jason Vargas kinda guy?

PM'd.

[BTS]

Responded.

[NorthOf49]

Posted.

[BTS]

Our first trade that isn't just pick slots!

[The Cats Ass]

Anyone want to trade me an Ike Davis/Matt Joyce kinda guy for a Tsuyoshi Wada/Jason Vargas kinda guy?

 

Nick Swisher?

[BTS]

Nick Swisher?

 

Coco Crisp for Vargas.

[Dr. Dinger]

If you missed out on Coco Crisp and Jason Vargas, I'm looking to move Torii Hunter and Mark Buerhle for mid-round picks or less-than-sexy prospects.

[The Cats Ass]

Coco Crisp sucks. He used to be good when he was fast. He's got too much hair now, which creates too much drag, which slows him down. Someone needs to give this kid a lesson in Physics.

 

http://onthabubble.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/coco-big-fro.jpg

[The Cats Ass]

If you missed out on Coco Crisp and Jason Vargas, I'm looking to move Torii Hunter and Mark Buerhle for mid-round picks or less-than-sexy prospects.

 

I'll give you a mid-round pick for them. I'd need you to hold onto them for me until past the cutdown though.