NHL Thread

[Cyborg]

Goaltending is like pitcher BABIP, pretty much random.

[Frag]

Goaltending is like pitcher BABIP, pretty much random.

 

It's really hard to maintain a good performance as a goaltender. Small distractions could cost you the game. Still, there seems to be some repeatability with regards to high danger SV% as well as rebound control.

[Cyborg]

It's really hard to maintain a good performance as a goaltender. Small distractions could cost you the game. Still, there seems to be some repeatability with regards to high danger SV% as well as rebound control.

Even when accounting for the defense and offense teams?

[Frag]

Even when accounting for the defense and offense teams?

 

Yup.

[Laika]

What does "high danger" mean here?

[Laika]

I love what the NHL is doing with the All Star game this year.

 

Four teams of two goalies and nine skaters will be selected. One for each division.

 

The boring 60 minute game of 5 on 5 pond hockey is replaced by a little tournament of 20 minute 3 on 3 games. The winning team also splits a $1M purse, so there is some incentive.

 

Should be kind of cool.

[Frag]

What does "high danger" mean here?

 

It's basically any shot in the goalie crease or the slot.

[Abomination]

Neat video, although sucks for Bieksa

 

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/video#2679124442

[Frag]

I love what the NHL is doing with the All Star game this year.

 

Four teams of two goalies and nine skaters will be selected. One for each division.

 

The boring 60 minute game of 5 on 5 pond hockey is replaced by a little tournament of 20 minute 3 on 3 games. The winning team also splits a $1M purse, so there is some incentive.

 

Should be kind of cool.

 

The Atlantic division will likely have the greatest goalie depth (Price/Rask/Bishop/Howard/Luongo), while the Metro (Crosby/Malkin/Ovechkin/Giroux/Tavares/Kessel) and Central (Toews/Kane/Seguin/Benn/Tarasenko/Parise/MacKinnon) divisions will have their forward depth. Trying to think of the best division, D depth wise.

[Laika]

The Atlantic division will likely have the greatest goalie depth (Price/Rask/Bishop/Howard/Luongo), while the Metro (Crosby/Malkin/Ovechkin/Giroux/Tavares/Kessel) and Central (Toews/Kane/Seguin/Benn/Tarasenko/Parise/MacKinnon) divisions will have their forward depth. Trying to think of the best division, D depth wise.

 

I guess they'll probably be forced to have 3 Dmen on each team.

 

If I'm making an ideal 3 on 3 team it wouldn't have any defensemen, obviously.

[Frag]

I guess they'll probably be forced to have 3 Dmen on each team.

 

If I'm making an ideal 3 on 3 team it wouldn't have any defensemen, obviously.

 

In that case, Subban-Karlsson make one hell of a 1-2 punch for the Atlantic division. After them is... Chara? Rielly?

 

Edit: I'm an idiot. I forgot about Hedman and Ekblad.

[Laika]

In that case, Subban-Karlsson make one hell of a 1-2 punch for the Atlantic division. After them is... Chara? Rielly?

 

Gimme Torey Krug if we're playing 3 on 3! Reilly would be good at it though.

 

Hedman, Chara, Ekblad candidates.

 

If it's fan votes you might see Markov.

[burlingtonbandit]

I guess they'll probably be forced to have 3 Dmen on each team.

 

If I'm making an ideal 3 on 3 team it wouldn't have any defensemen, obviously.

 

I'd have Karlsson and Subban on my team before a lot of forwards.

[Laika]

I'd have Karlsson and Subban on my team before a lot of forwards.

 

Yeah but Karlsson is basically just a forward that's out of position.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah but Karlsson is basically just a forward that's out of position.

 

I don't think he would be as successful as a forward. Theres a pretty large transition between the positions.

[Laika]

I don't think he would be as successful as a forward. Theres a pretty large transition between the positions.

 

mmmmm disagree

[Cyborg]

Karlsson = forward. Forwards >>>> DMen.

[Spanky99]

I love what the NHL is doing with the All Star game this year.

 

Four teams of two goalies and nine skaters will be selected. One for each division.

 

The boring 60 minute game of 5 on 5 pond hockey is replaced by a little tournament of 20 minute 3 on 3 games. The winning team also splits a $1M purse, so there is some incentive.

 

Should be kind of cool.

 

I just heard this on Tim and Sid, should be fun!

[Spanky99]

Goaltending is like pitcher BABIP, pretty much random.

 

Meh, I just want Reims to keep it up, dat trade value, he'll be a Flame anytime now...

[burlingtonbandit]

Karlsson = forward. Forwards >>>> DMen.

 

Elite C impact the game more then Dmen but you still need good Dmen to be a good team.

[Spanky99]

Elite C impact the game more then Dmen but you still need good Dmen to be a good team.

 

They're talking about 3 on 3 mate?

[Spanky99]

Sorry, I guess you sort of veered it off a bit.

[Laika]

Elite C impact the game more then Dmen but you still need good Dmen to be a good team.

 

Players get type cast as defensemen very early in their hockey careers, and stereotyping, stubbornness, and hockey tradition largely prevents position changes.

 

But forwards are just better at hockey, generally. Faster, better with the puck, better at scoring and creating offense and driving shot chances - these are the reasons that they get put up front in the first place, way back when they are wee little lads.

 

Progressive teams could benefit by drafting less unskilled defensemen and converting some skilled forwards to the blue line.

[Frag]

Players get type cast as defensemen very early in their hockey careers, and stereotyping, stubbornness, and hockey tradition largely prevents position changes.

 

But forwards are just better at hockey, generally. Faster, better with the puck, better at scoring and creating offense and driving shot chances - these are the reasons that they get put up front in the first place, way back when they are wee little lads.

 

Progressive teams could benefit by drafting less unskilled defensemen and converting some skilled forwards to the blue line.

 

So... Defencemen - Failed forwards?

[burlingtonbandit]

Players get type cast as defensemen very early in their hockey careers, and stereotyping, stubbornness, and hockey tradition largely prevents position changes.

 

But forwards are just better at hockey, generally. Faster, better with the puck, better at scoring and creating offense and driving shot chances - these are the reasons that they get put up front in the first place, way back when they are wee little lads.

 

Progressive teams could benefit by drafting less unskilled defensemen and converting some skilled forwards to the blue line.

 

I'd agree that the "defensive defenceman" are becoming useless as now a days you won't go anywhere if you can't skate and move the puck. I think the transition to becoming a d-man is a lot harder than you think though. There are some really smart GMs out there and we would hear about it, if it was worth doing.

[Laika]

There are some really smart GMs out there and we would hear about it, if it was worth doing.

 

This isn't really true. There are things in every sport that make all the sense in the world on paper, but no team will ever really do them largely because of tradition and optics and all that jazz.

[burlingtonbandit]

This isn't really true. There are things in every sport that make all the sense in the world on paper, but no team will ever really do them largely because of tradition and optics and all that jazz.

 

Just curious what are the other things you are thinking of?

[Laika]

Just curious what are the other things you are thinking of?

 

A bunch of things like

 

- Basketball teams should basically never take a 2pt jumpshot - always either drive the rim for a foul/layup or shoot a 3 (I might be wrong).

- Football teams should almost always onside kick (I might be wrong).

- Baseball teams should pretty much never let a SP face an order for the 3rd time

- Baseball teams should hit their most talented batters in the following lineup spots, descending: #1, #4, #2, #5, #3, #6, #7, #8, #9

- Hockey teams should never have more than one racial minority in their locker room.

[Frag]

This isn't really true. There are things in every sport that make all the sense in the world on paper, but no team will ever really do them largely because of tradition and optics and all that jazz.

 

It's the reason why most NFL coaches punt on 4th down, even when it's most of the time the worst decision to make.

[o2cui2i]

It's the reason why most NFL coaches punt on 4th down, even when it's most of the time the worst decision to make.

 

that depends on field position, how good/bad your defense is, how good your kicker is, has your offensive line shown that they can get a push.

 

theoretically if you have a good running back and a line that can push open gaps you could run the ball all day. only need 2.5 yards avg and you are golden, but it doesn't work that way

 

yes, there are times where taking 4 downs to get a first down is a good idea, but punting is not the worst decision.