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[Angrioter]

JonHeymanCBS

ibanez has deal with angels. $2.75M plus incentives

 

Fat Greek, bring back Matt Stairs

[NorthOf49]

Oh alright, Harper because he's young and sexy. He has some sneaky speed too, there's potential there for a seven-category contributor down the road.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Ibanez for <3M is not a bad deal. He still hit pretty well last year in a huge park.

[Nox]

I could agree with Harper. But not Stanton. They're only seperated by 3 years of age. McCutchen plays CF while Stanton is only OF. I'd probably rank them Trout>>Harper>McCutchen>Stanton. And you can never forget about Miguel Cabrera, I bet he goes somewhere in there.

 

OF vs CF replacement level in fantasy is almost a wash. It's not like real baseball.

 

Stanton is 3 years younger and projects to give you about 10-20 additional points of wOBA. If it's a garbage 5 category league with SBs being skewed heavily then there's a case for McCutchen but that's really the only way a rational argument can be made.

 

Trout > Stanton > Harper > McCutchen

 

And yah, Miggy is definitely in there somewhere too.

[KingKat]

I could agree with Harper. But not Stanton. They're only seperated by 3 years of age. McCutchen plays CF while Stanton is only OF. I'd probably rank them Trout>>Harper>McCutchen>Stanton. And you can never forget about Miguel Cabrera, I bet he goes somewhere in there.

 

What's so amazing about Harper exactly? I mean sure he's young but should that justify passing over better player like McCutchen or even Miguel Cabrera? Trout is a no brainer at 1 because he's good and young but after him, I would look at youth as a tie-breaker not the end all and be all.

[KingKat]

JonHeymanCBS

ibanez has deal with angels. $2.75M plus incentives

 

Fat Greek, bring back Matt Stairs

 

Matt Stairs played for the Fredericton Royals in the New Brunswick Senior League this year. He wasn't even the best hitter on the team.

[Dylan]

Guti signed for 1 million + incentives.. sounds like he owed the team another year with a friendly contract. I would have paid more for him as a bench

[Nox]

What's so amazing about Harper exactly?

 

I know Trout's craziness kind of blunts anything else that the other young guys do but Harper was a 37% above league average hitter as a 20 year old last season (without any obvious luck red flags). That's pretty nuts.

[KingKat]

I know Trout's craziness kind of blunts anything else that the other young guys do but Harper was a 37% above league average hitter as a 20 year old last season (without any obvious luck red flags). That's pretty nuts.

 

Don't get me wrong, he's good but I think it's a mistake to project big improvement because of his youth. I'd draft him for the player he is not the mythical player he was touted as (which Trout turned out to actually be).

[The Cats Ass]

Does Paul Goldschmidt go in the top 6?

[Nox]

Don't get me wrong, he's good but I think it's a mistake to project big improvement because of his youth. I'd draft him for the player he is not the mythical player he was touted as (which Trout turned out to actually be).

 

If he doesn't improve at all, that's a really, really nice floor (injuries aside).

 

Real baseball for a second: 8.5 WAR through someone's age 20 season is pretty much mythical.

[KingKat]

If he doesn't improve at all, that's a really, really nice floor (injuries aside).

 

Real baseball for a second: 8.5 WAR through someone's age 20 season is pretty much mythical.

 

To put it differently... Do I think Harper can be as good as Miguel Cabrera? Perhaps you do but I don't so I'm not passing on Cabrera to draft Harper. I'm going to worry about putting the best team on the field today not whether I still have control on Harper fifteen years from now.

 

Edit: I'm also not inclined to view what Harper is doing now as a great floor but more a case of a player who is going to hit his ceiling early. I don't know how strong the case really is for projecting improvement on someone who starts this good. I certainly wouldn't project improvement on Trout so I'm not sure why I would project it on Harper.

[Nox]

To put it differently... Do I think Harper can be as good as Miguel Cabrera?

 

I would be surprised if Harper reached Cabrera's level of excellence at the plate (all we care about in fantasy). Taking Cabrera over Harper doesn't seem wrong to me.

 

I've been beating the Harper drum in favour of him over McCutchen as that was the original comparison. I'd take Cabrera over McCutchen too.

[Nox]

If you assume that the league will exist still in 20 years, you would take Harper over Cabrera every time. But that's usually a pretty stupid assumption to make as quite a few of these leagues only end up lasting 2 or 3 years. That changes the calculus significantly when determining the value of future vs. current fantasy points/wins/zscores. Edited December 18, 2013 by Nox

[eastcoastjaysfan]

In case anyone missed it, Padres sign Benoit to a 2 year $15.5M deal.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/padres-to-sign-joaquin-benoit.html

 

Gross

[Abomination]

I won't post who I think should be 2-5 lol.

 

Yeah, me neither. Hard to argue too much with the options being talked about in some order though. Anyhow, everyone knows you'd probably take a pitcher

[Fearthedoc]

If you assume that the league will exist still in 20 years, you would take Harper over Cabrera every time. But that's usually a pretty stupid assumption to make as quite a few of these leagues only end of lasting 2 or 3 years. That changes the calculus significantly when determining the value of future vs. current fantasy points/wins/zscores.

 

That might be my achilles heel. Any time I'm making a movie in dynasty leagues, I make it assuming the league will still be existent 20 years from now. That's why I'd probably take both Harper and Stanton over Cabrera. I don't think either of them will ever put up Cabrera lines in their careers, but I value 10-12 years of good/great production over 4-5 years of elite production.

[Angrioter]

Marlins agree to one-year deal with Casey McGehee, according to @clarkspencer

 

Rockies Acquire Drew Stubbs

[G-Snarls]

@Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #Indians getting LHP Josh Outman from #Rockies for Drew Stubbs.

[z3r0s]

That might be my achilles heel. Any time I'm making a movie in dynasty leagues, I make it assuming the league will still be existent 20 years from now. That's why I'd probably take both Harper and Stanton over Cabrera. I don't think either of them will ever put up Cabrera lines in their careers, but I value 10-12 years of good/great production over 4-5 years of elite production.

 

The DDL seems fairly strong. Lets hope it lasts

[Angrioter]

TroyRenck

Confirming good buddy Thomas Harding's report... Jonathan Herrera goes to Boston in exchange for former Rockie Franklin Morales

[Angrioter]

Braves have acquired catcher Ryan Doumit from the Twins for LHP Sean Gilmartin

[GD]

Braves have acquired catcher Ryan Doumit from the Twins for LHP Sean Gilmartin

 

Impressive trade for Minny

[Angrioter]

Who's this guy?

[G-Snarls]

[LunchBox]

Arizona's recent trades make more sense now. Obviously the goal is to win 90 games, call it an step forward and save his job. Ownership only has themselves to blame for telling Towers he's in the "hot seat".

[Nox]

Doumit WAR (2008-2013): 7.3

Doumit wins lost due to framing (2008-2013): -17

 

2008-20013 WAR: -9.7

 

Doumit is a legend in learned baseball circles.

[GD]

Doumit WAR (2008-2013): 7.3

Doumit wins lost due to framing (2008-2013): -17

 

2008-2013 WAR: -9.7

 

They traded this for a young, lefty, former first round pick.

 

Terry Ryan. A winner is you.

[TwistedLogic]

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How many of you all got one of these? Or am I special?

[Nox]

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How many of you all got one of these? Or am I special?

 

What a f***ing nut job.