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Groshans has a 167 wRC+ and .921 OPS in the last 2 weeks. Feels like it's coming

I know with selling tickets in advance this plan might not be so ideal but could they switch back and forth between capacities based on the weather forecast? If there's no chance of rain there's no reason they can't do outdoor capacities with the roof open and if it's likely to rain then leaving the roof open because you have too many fans there to watch a game that's not going to happen because you can't close the roof is dumb. The inbetween forecasts would be the tricky part

His OPS has gone up 42 points tonight alone. He's been on fire lately, I think he's certainly ready for a promotion.

Didn't the Red Sox spend like 80 million dollars in IFA one year and accept penalties for 2 years because of it. It's essentially the same kind of deal Instead of 1 1st rounder a couple decent players and a bunch of stuff 1 year and you get you keep two 1st rounders, you get 1 1st rounder, 19 solid players and lose 2 1st rounder as a result. Money aside I'd take 19 guys ranked between 30-300 in a draft over lets say what we picked this year and 2 1st round picks. Money included it gets a little more ridiculous, but if the Red Sox were willing to pay that much for prospects before maybe someone would do it again.

Who knew this Jays commercial was 10 years too early

It was mentioned in the article I posted earlier in the thread "Luke, a two-time All-Berks pick, said Tuesday that teams continued to talk to him through the 10th round. He said Toronto and Tampa Bay, which had the draft’s second-to-last pick, then said they’d select him in the 20th round."

Wonder if you'll ever see a team go full IFA circa 2014 mode where they just say screw it and blast way past the limits and say we'll take the best talent available at all 20 picks pay each of them what it takes to sign them and go 2 years without a 1st rounder and hope it more than makes up for it.

Hoglund pretty clearly comes in behind the big 8(or 6 if Kirk and Manoah don't count), and ahead of guys like Hiraldo. It's weird I'd almost have him in a tier by himself.

slightly underslot was always in the range of reasonable options. With this and the 5% overage we have about 400k overslot to give to others. I just don't really see enough elsewhere to get that number high enough for both Carter and Holman.

Because they planned on giving Bickford well over slot and then planned on giving Singer well over slot(as evidenced by the fact everyone else in rounds 1-10 came in at or under slot both years), so despite losing their slot money they had the extra money they were going to give to them to give someone else if they couldn't sign Singer/Bickford. Essentially like if Irv Carter didn't sign now because of a medical issue or something they could probably sign Holman with the overslot money they plan for Carter. Essentially a backup plan. Which is what it is, but it's be nice if it was something more because his camp reads like morning regret. edit: Partially related but AA was a wizard in 2013 with his "punt" picks, got a few HS guys, and a bunch of college guys all underslot Matt Boyd(75k), Kendall Graveman(5k), Connor Greene who had decent value before we flipped him I think it was the Grichuk trade, Patrick Murphy. Even Chad Girodo for 5k looked slightly intriguing for a time there before he flamed out. Jansen, Davis and Mayza too after round 10 for basically no slot money in addition to those Brentz and Tellez gets. Locastro got moved for a decent chunk of IFA money which we spent on Vladdy and kept us under the threshold for 2017 penalties which allowed us to get guys like Pardinho and Hiraldo. Dermody from the late rounds also briefly made the majors

I'm aware, I don't think this front office risks wasting any money anyway, I would guess it's already committed even the 5% extra so I don't think they'd even have 25k extra they could offer them if he'd sign for 150k, just saying it's too bad they don't because everything I'm reading feels like he wants to cut his losses and sign for what he can get as long as it's decently acceptable(400k+)

https://www.readingeagle.com/sports/high-school-sports/selected-in-the-mlb-draft-wilsons-luke-holman-says-hes-ready-to-go-to-alabama/article_575b4b1e-e40d-11eb-bf9b-0b57b739b5e2.html Everything this kid and his camp says gives me the feeling he's just looking for enough money to sign. From saying he "wanted to play pro ball" to his father saying "he turned down 800k, we know we're not getting back to that 800k, I know that" if feels like they'd consider something significantly less. Sure there's all this "They’d have to come up with some big numbers for me to take it and to be a Blue Jay." but to me that wreaks of oops I showed my hand, no I do actually want to go to college and that's the plan, please believe me, also pay me. However this front office seems to meticulously budget every pool dollar including the 5% overage so unfortunately we almost certainly don't have an extra 400k lying around which I feel like would probably be enough since he seems like he wants to cut his losses and qwould cash in on the 500k. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't even have an extra 10k lying around. Luke also probably shouldn't have turned down the 800k offer like he expected another one to come if he wanted to play pro ball. The story about him countering the offer as if he didn't know there's no time to negotiate does make both him, and his "advisor" look quite bad. The advisor especially should know how this works. Either take it or plan to ask for more all your way into a college dorm.

That's true, but they still have the amount they were going to pay him over his slot value. For example if they were going to give him 800k they have an extra 450k they didn't expect to have. Or if something coming up in the medical so they lower their offer to Irv to 500k and he takes it because of the medical issue(not likely but possible) they have an extra 300k to spend that they didn't expect to have They're never going to recover all the lost money when something like that pops up but teams take guys like this late so they'll have something to potentially do with the extra money they didn't expect to have if issues arrive. Obviously that only applies to the overslot guys as not signing a planned underslot guy costs you everything they were going to sign for and more which is why I assumed it was probably a backup plan for Irv Carter if an issue in his medical unexpectedly pops up Take the 2015 Jays draft as an example, every guy they drafted and signed in rounds 1 to 10 was either at or below slot except Brady Singer who we ended up not signing. It was reported it may have been an issue with the medicals though I don't remember anything being confirmed. Presumably that was done to give Singer overslot by a sizeable margin. They were left with extra cash they could move around(Not the 1.09m for Singers slot but the extra savings from going underslot elsewhere that they were going to pay Singer). They ended up signing Reggie Pruitt in the 24th round to 500k which was 400k overslot(anyone past the 10th round was 100k at the time). They still ended up 435k under the 5% extra threshold. They probably wish they had taken an extra guy to 2 to give Singer's extra money to, though Pruitt didn't work out either, still toiling in AA 6 years later as basically a guy who can run and not do much else. Was that insurance policy worth more than drafting Lance Jones in the 36th round? I guess it depends on how what the likelyhood of something popping up in one of your overslot guys that changes the plan because of course that random 36th round pick college senior might become something too. https://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2015/6/10/8755563/2015-draft-signing-table edit: Apparently not signing Bickford in 2013 helped get Tellez as well. Can't remember if that was injury related at all but Bickford wanted more than the Jays offered(which was above slot already), Jays said no and were able to then go way overslot with Rowdy and Jake Brentz(and get the 11th pick in 2014, Max Pentecost, sigh), which wouldn't have been possible if they went much overslot with Bickford. They didn't give Bickford's slot money to them, they lost that, but the underslot money from others which they were saving for Bickford was freed up for elsewhere.

5% of our pool is $288,795 isn't it? It's only an extra 11k, but every dollar counts, just ask Luke Holman

I doubt it. Most teams usually take a higher ranked guy late so they have someone to give their pool money to in case something comes up in a medical with one of their more costly guys. This screams to me as a guy they're taking so they'll have someone to give Irv Carter's money to if something unexpected happened there. I'd love to be wrong

Did the Orioles change their draft philosophy to only picking presumably underslot college hitters? Except that 1 college senior pitcher they took that's all it's been. Still don't see where they plan on spending the money they saved going underslot at 5.

They did the same thing last year taking 3 college guys after going underslot at 2nd overall with Kjerstad. They did go high school in the 4th and 5th rounds but it was still guys ranked outside the top 100. I don't really get it, but maybe they do the same later and it works out for them.

Without punting every other pick we have no. Our entire pool is 5.7 million, Royals can probably pay him 5+ million even if he drops to 43 so I don't see why he'd settle for 4 million from us.

When you don't believe in signing international free agents I guess you have to get the extra talent somewhere. Haven't heard that one in a while, did they stop that moronic strategy yet?

Got pulled after a strikeout 3 days ago and hasn't played a game since then so I would assume something is up. You don't often see guys get injured on strikeouts though. Perhaps he was already hurt and swinging the bat made it obvious he couldn't continue.

It's a reply to the post above mine about Rowdy being the answer at 1B for the Brewers or not. Can't tell if you're agreeing with me, or also didn't understand my post. I was replying to the post above mine looking at the trade from the Brewers perspective. It wasn't worth giving up what the Brewers gave up to see if Rowdy was the answer for them.

I think Rowdy could be the answer. But it's not likely enough to give up what they gave up to find out

This is a really good trade. I like Rowdy but he had no place here anymore and might be a fringe MLB player anyway. Richards is a really solid arm with lots of team control and Francis looks intriguing as a depth arm as well. edit: They autocorrected a "really solid arm" to "really dolis arm". Hope that's not a sign of things to come

Sahlen field only seats 16k so they'd really only need about 33% capacity at Rogers Center to reach the same number of fans. Might feel like less of an atmosphere with the same number of people spread out over a larger area in a concrete dome though

Yeah but have you considered what if they could get those pen reinforcements by trading Bichette? Especially if it brings back John McDonald. Not someone like him, the actual John McDonald. He's only 46 and been retired for 6 years. It could work.