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It's so funny that the same Shatkins stans have the same responses to people's criticisms. They must be on the Jays payroll because they can't be this blind can they lol.
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Nope, they are stupid for creating the environment where it would seem dumb for any big free agent to sign here longterm in our current situation
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Exactly... it's actually common sense that any free agent we try to speak to would ask "how are you trying to sell me long term when you (the management) and our best players (Bo/Vlad) can all not be here starting next year." This is where I put all the blame on Rogers for ****ing us in the most important off-season. Atkins needed to be fired after the Berrios fiasco and Shapiro needed to be fired before this off-season started. This would have given the new management the ability to negotiate with Vlad/Bo with a fresh outlook from both sides and also the ability to sell free agents long term to our team.
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The good thing is that I didn't think this team needed a front end starter to begin the off-season. We definitely need 1 guy to slot in the rotation but I'm okay with getting the best "buy low" signing with hopes of him outperforming the deal. Now where I have 0 leeway is the Vlad/Bo contract situations (trade or re-sign), needing 2 big bats to in our top 4 in addition to Bo/Vlad and also a top notch closer. Either contend by filling those holes or rebuild!!
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LOL look at the name we started the off-season talking about to where we are now, it says everything. Shatkins, trade Vlad/Bo to start the rebuild because you ****ed up this window of contention and hopefully be barred from any baseball operations for the rest of your lives. Go become an architect or something lol.
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Pretty sure our entire 2015 team hated his guts too but time went by so it's probably nothing now lol
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By that logic, every team should think they have a chance. Tigers actually sold at the deadline and somehow did what they did. If we sell on Vlad/Bo and go for a rebuild and that's happens then awesome, we just shouldn't be making decisions on pulling off a miracle.
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Especially when it means rolling this dumpster fire of a squad out there.
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Unless they surprise everyone and make some big moves now... the common sense approach would be to do it right now when their values would be higher. They aren't fooling any fans this year... rogers center will be empty after the first week based on our current trajectory.
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He tried that last year and failed... it isn't going to work magically this year lol. We can win another Team Gold Glove and still suck while being completely unwatchable.
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Well ****... **** this off-season lol
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Who even would still be in the market for Bregman other than us? Yankees?
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Is this a sign that the market may be cooling off? There are still tons of impactful players on the market and I'm not sure i can see all of them getting a huge payday.
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It's just so weird man... if we had that money, we could literally plug all our holes and be super competitive this upcoming season.
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I honestly think this is the approach we need to take so we can spend every other cent on bats and 1 closer. The Burnes talk is us putting all our eggs in the starters basket while ignoring the rest of the team.
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Exactly... I thought I clearly said allowing Shatkins to be in charge, of what is the most important off-season for our future with Bo/Vlad in their last year, is crazy. Ownership has done exactly what we had hoped for by allowing such a big budget. It's just them keeping Shatkins around that is clearly their fault right now, we'll see how it eventually plays out.
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It's hard to say Vlad wouldn't have accept a contract offer before if they never offered him a reasonable one before. Now after the Soto deal and the season he just had, it's obvious the Jays need to meet his price or trade him. It shouldn't even be that hard to determine by now but here we are... we have a front office that won't be allowed to rebuild while keeping their jobs to make this decision. That's the stupidity of ownership and no one else at this point.
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The Jays could have started contract negotiations well before Soto's free agency. The fact they didn't try to keep open communication on trying to lock up their best player says everything about these idiots. Their history of re-signing players also shows how they like to operate, which only works if you maintain a great farm system. It's in Rogers best interest to fire these guys ASAP and let the new person make decisions on the future on this franchise. It will also give an excuse when we try to negotiate with Vlad/Bo and other free agents going forward. Vladdy holds ALL the leverage at this point and you can't fault him for using it now... just like the Jays front office held all the leverage prior to this off-season and didn't try hard enough to get anything done based on Vladdy's words.
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What Would Make This A Successful Jays Offseason In Your View?
Jays24 replied to Jays24's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
It's so beautiful seeing everyone being aligned on exactly what our needs are... make it happen Rogers!! -
What Would Make This A Successful Jays Offseason In Your View?
Jays24 replied to Jays24's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
I think our team needs big bats and a true closer more than a number 1 starter. I also don't trust Bregman on any deal more than 5 years but that's the price you pay for plugging holes through free agency. -
I'd probably say this is the most aligned I've seen the board in terms of what this team needs to do in order to be relevant next season. Most of us also agree that if we can't achieve most of what's required then this team needs to trade Vlad/Bo to begin the rebuild ASAP. So what exactly does the team need to do to avoid a rebuild in your eyes? I understand the list might sound unreasonable but that's usually the case for a team coming off 74 wins. Personally, the team would need to: - Trade for Helsley/Matz - Sign Teo - Sign Bregman - Re-sign Vlad - Trade Bo for the best package of MLB ready players - Sign the best cheapest backup catcher possible To me the above just seems very unrealistic but those would be the terms where I could get behind the team next season. If you can't come close to it then please start the rebuild so our next contention window won't take forever to get to.
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Half of Spanky's posts are gonna be unreadable now lol
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It's festivus for the rest of us lol
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General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)
Jays24 replied to Ryu In My House's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
They have literally bullied hundreds of posters off this board because they don't sign off on practically every move this front office made. It has been hilarious to see them backtracking and join the fire Shatkins bandwagon but still try to sound so condescending about it lol. -
Yup... was just mentioning that once these guys are off the board, it is officially time to hit the panic button. Most rational folks already felt that way before the off-season started. It was going to take like 75M in free agency for the team to fill all its major holes while extending Bo/Vlad on top of that to have a chance to be competitive going forward. Just wondering wtf tweedle dee and tweedle dum are doing because it sure as hell isn't actually getting things done lol.