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General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)
max silver replied to Krylian's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Explain to me how this would lead to a chronic neck condition. -
I haven't been able to verify for certain one way or the other but the explanations I've seen point to the overall AAV for salary tax purposes not being affected by deferrals.
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General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)
max silver replied to Krylian's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Prince Fielder had a degenerative neck condition condition that forced him to retire. That was zero to do with how heavy he was unless you think he was carrying an extra 50 pounds of weight in his cheeks or something. That has zero to do with whether to sign Vlad to an extension or not. I'd also be worried as hell signing Vlad to a long term deal given the downside he's shown for much of his career, but if he tears things up the next few seasons on another roster I'd have a really hard time forgiving the front office for trading him away for what is likely to be pennies on the dollar. -
f*** that noise man. If the team gave up before they tried they would 100% never attract a true cream of the crop free agent to the organization. There is literally no reason to fault them for trying.
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Yeah the NHL finally put an end to these types of deals after teams were skirting the salary cap for years with guys that eventually just retired after they were making peanuts. Allowing a big market team to throw the middle finger to the luxury tax would be the ultimate slap in the face to the rest of baseball.
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Absolutely this. There just has to be a point in an auction where you are willing to walk away. The Blue Jays simply don't have the established minor league talent pipeline at this point to continue to surround Ohtani with impact players if they were to outlay this type of cash.
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Now I instantly go from convincing myself that Ohtani was worth it at any cost if we managed to snag him and pivot to railing on about what a terrible long term signing it likely would have been.
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Come on man, the guy was a 3.5 win player and very well may have hit 4 wins had he not gotten hurt in August.
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The first three would be great but we shall see if the team has that type of overall money available with the "unicorn" budget that Ohtani would have reportedly opened up for them.
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Don't forgot Ohtani @ 40 as well.
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Yeah I simply can't see the league allowing for this as it would be in direct contravention of the purpose of the luxury tax.
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That's not exactly a fair characterization that the team would go for bidding seriously on the best free agent in the history of the sport and instead pivot to a s***** utility player but I get where you're coming from.
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I see no reason for Hicks to be brought back as the returning pen is already a strength, but I could certainly see the team being in the bidding for Chapman and Bellinger, which unfortunately both have a lot of potential to be terrible contracts in the not too distant future.
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Does that have any luxury tax ramifications though? To me the luxury tax hit is the biggest detractor for placing so many eggs into one basket such as this as eventually this could prevent the Dodgers from being able to add enough talent to their minor league pipeline given the increasingly onerous penalties.
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At least the offseason can begin in earnest now. It's certainly going to be a kick in the nuts to be signing lesser lights like Chapman but such is life.
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Well f***, that was fun while it lasted.
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Dodgers Nation is doubling down on their report that Ohtani is signing with the Blue Jays. They claim they have multiple sources who verify this to be true. https://dodgersnation.com/when-will-shohei-ohtanis-saga-end-latest-on-the-two-way-stars-free-agency/2023/12/09/
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The Morosi omission is my only complaint with the article. I can only guess that perhaps Davidi and Morosi are buddies or something and this was done to protect a friend but this is pure speculation on my part. In a way the Morosi thing was indirectly referenced as the article mentioned unverified social media reports, which is basically what so many social media posts contain nowadays even from so-called "insiders". Unfortunately social media has greatly blended into traditional reporting so that it's becoming increasingly difficult to separate fiction from reality. I think that the existence of Twitter has largely ruined the traditional media as far too many individuals are clamoring to be the first to report something whether it's true or not. I detest that "news" stories are even including tweets now which for the most part seem to be statements of personal opinion rather than verified facts.
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It seems that a few members of the BBWWA really jumped the gun yesterday which really allowed the whole mess to take off. It's a sad day when Jim Bowden of all people is a voice of reason in the online discourse.
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I would guess that the baseball journalism world as a whole is going to be very cautious after yesterday's speculative traditional and social media frenzy.
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Have you read the article? Right at the very beginning he directly implicates the Dodgers Nation writer as having jumped the gun. Last I checked Davidi isn't the head of Rogers Media or Sportsnet as a whole so I don't know what you expected for him to do to direct the networks decision making with regards to covering this situation as it unfolded. If it actually proved to be true they would be left holding their dicks and be completely behind the news cycle.
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I suggest you can consider reading the piece and then judge for yourself if there is any "scolding" whatsoever contained within. To my eyes it read as more of a precautionary piece warning not to get too excited before credible sources (Morosi aside) begin to corroborate what is being reported.
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Davidi didn't s*** on fans in the slightest. I read the article a second time and it outlined the dangers of blindly believing unverified social media posts that whipped all of MLB as a whole into a frenzy, including executives, agents and the fanbase. I was as excited about anyone yesterday, but at the end of the day that's on me for allowing myself to get caught up in the frenzy. This is a case of people choosing to be offended instead of reflecting on their own actions. In his defense he didn't utter a single peep about this until it was proven to be false later in the evening. He's part of a sporting news media organization, and for all we know he was sent by his editor to get in front of this on the off chance it proved to be true.
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Yeah asking to extend the guy further is peak insanity. The later years of that deal are already likely going to be largely underwater and the club would almost certainly receive no value in guaranteeing further money for a player into his 40's.
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That dude has had a rough couple of days online.