THANOS

Perfect 1st pitch!!

Nice performance.

Here's a question, will Marcus Stroman ever become the dominant strikeout king that he was in his minors career? http://i.snag.gy/FkIKv.jpg

Let's hope that continues and the boys come with a game plan.

He was more concerned with his neighbouring friends/family than "kids" in general based on Brunt's analysis. He said Edwin cares the most about his community/inner circle. Not really..

Brunt visited Edwin in the Dom Rep lol, and he hung out with his "outgoing" father, his "shy" mother, his kids, and the friends/family in the neighborhood that Edwin helped. There's no agenda there, it's a fact.

Harvey reminds me more of Two-Face than Batman for a multitude of reasons lol. Loki is De Grom.

Here's the podcast where Brunt talks about his experiences and discussions with both. http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/at-the-letters-stephen-brunt-on-all-things-blue-jays/ He mentions their personalities, values, how they grew up, Edwin purchasing the blocks in his neighborhood so his friends and family could live for free, Jose's business approach to life and interest in being valued appropriately, and more.

Very interesting, thanks for that!

From what Brunt deduced, it seems that way. He donates most of his money to his village and lives minimalistically outside of his love for nice cars. Brunt deduced that based on Edwin's values and the importance he places on comfort and familiarity, that he is by far the most likely to extend on a team friendly deal.

My bad lol, Stephen. There isn't, which is why I mentioned it was Brunt's analysis from visiting both for weeks in the Dominican Republic. Do you have a comprehension issue?

I think Edwin is the most likely to extend on a team friendly deal based James Brunt's visitations with him and Jose in the Dominican. Jose is a business man who was born wealthy and privileged and knows his market worth. Edwin is a shy introvert who's loyal to the Jays for the support and just wants to give back to home village.

That's fair, but maybe AA could talk up his value to Cleveland in some fashion, especially since he would fit a dire need for that team. This is true, but he's still due for a decline soon. Cleveland's strength is controllable talented starting pitching but their main weakness is defense. Pillar could be nearly as valuable to them because he provides what they lack. This is a fair response, and could very well be how Cleveland views him. That said, it is possible that Shapiro and AA can sell Cleveland on him, there could be angles that we aren't even considering that could be used in a potential negotiation about Sanchez' value. Very true regarding Greene and Reid-Foley, and there would be a lot of risk tied valuing high on them because of their level of experience and deficiencies. I suppose it will come down to AA and Shapiro playing up the strengths of all the pieces in comparison to what Cleveland needs and covets. I think your last point about other teams offering more would probably be the deciding component in any offer from Toronto. Then again, no one knew AA was dealing with Beane for Donaldson, so it could be a quiet transaction until it's finalized, especially with the respect Cleveland has for Shapiro. Off-topic I wonder what the Mets would accept for Harvey given all the controversy surrounding him. Would he cost more or less than Carrasco, and would the controversy lower his would be value exponentially?

I'd be down for that. Tyson Ross is great and would fit right in imo.

Wow that first pitch to Castro was a foot outside and called a strike LOL.

Great response! These are very fair points but one thing you didn't mention is that Carrasco will be 29 entering the 2016 season and was only worth anything significant the past two years. From 2009-2013 Carrasco only provided 1.2 WAR as a mediocre reliever with poor peripherals. I think, entering this off-season, Carrasco's value will only drop, given his age, and lack of track record as an elite arm. Pillar's true value may be lower than this year, but Sanchez' could be much higher if successfully transitioned into a starter (his last few starts before injury were promising from a WHIP point of view), which he will be next season. If Cleveland's pitching coaches could transition him into a strikeout starter, which they have done countless other times, his FIP/xFIP could dip exponentially. This could end with Sanchez contributing 2-3 potential WAR in 2016. This would make the deal fair even with Pillar's value dipping to the 2.5 range like you suggested. Now add in the potential value that Greene and Reid-Foley could give them in the future, and it's a huge potential win for Cleveland.

Read my responses, it could very well be done.

It was reported that it was "nearly" accepted. The only reason it would have been rejected after that was because Cleveland wanted to compete in 2015 and asked for Stroman instead because his ceiling was higher. Now, the 2015 regular season is over and Carrasco will be 29 entering the 2016 season, so his price could be going down even more. With the reasoning I presented above, I don't see how my offer would be laughable as some here would suggest.

Exactly and Donaldson was coming off two straight seasons where he combined to contribute over 14 WAR. The only players ahead of him were Mike Trout and Andrew McCutchen. Both of them won an MVP in one of those years. Carrasco, on the other hand, debuted in 2009 and produced only 1.2 WAR over the next 4 seasons with poor peripherals. He will be 29 years old by the start of the 2016 season. It is only recently, beginning mid-2014, that he became an elite starting pitcher. I don't know why people in this thread are dismissing some of the proposals here considering the information above that we are privy to and the fact that AA is a ninja and always seems to get more for less in trades. I honestly believe Sanchez, Pillar, Reid-Foley, and Greene could get it done, and wouldn't be laughable like many members here would suggest. Carrasco was worth 4.8 WAR this year while Pillar, alone, was worth 4.3 WAR. Sanchez was worth 0.3 WAR in minimal innings as a reliever. The trade would be pretty much even, with plenty of potential value on Cleveland's end if Reid-Foley and/or Greene pan out.

1st of all it was for Carrasco not Salazar. It was reported that a package of Hoffman, Norris, and Pompey for Carrasco was nearly accepted. Because it was mid-season, and Cleveland was still very much in it, they decided to ask for Stroman+ instead. At the time, Norris was a fringe major league pitcher, with tons of upside, having a poor MLB/AAA season from both a results and stuff standpoint. Hoffman was our best pitching prospect and just returning from Tommy John, and may have been a couple years away from contributing still. Pompey was our best hitting prospect at the time and had been demoted to AA, but had sorted out his plate approach and looked to be on the rise again. Since then, Norris and Hoffman are gone, and Pompey has, in all likelihood, increased his value. Given that it is now in the off-season, and Cleveland missed the post-season, I would offer this package. Toronto gets: - Carlos Carrasco Cleveland gets: - Aaron Sanchez (Similar value to Norris at this point if AA can sell his starting potential to them. Maybe they could convert him into a strikeout pitcher instead of trying for contact predominately) - Connor Greene and Sean Reid-Foley (lower value than Hoffman as individuals but loads of potential as starting prospects and could create more value combined. Both are strikeout prospects which Cleveland covets.) - Kevin Pillar (major league proven CF with elite defense coming off a 4+ WAR season. AA could sell high on Pillar and get more value than he would get from Pompey. Cleveland really needs defense so that may put more value in Pillar than a defensive heavy team would.) I think this would be heavily considered by Cleveland and shouldn't be brushed aside as quickly as it will be. AA has gotten more for much less in the past, a la the Donaldson trade, and Carrasco was a very mediocre reliever with average peripherals in early 2014 and doesn't have a long track record of dominance. He's also 28 years old as a pitcher and could begin his decline in a few years.

No he's not, he's throwing 2 pitches. He throws his 92 mph cutter as well.

Nah I don't think we should be cute with Price's rest schedule. He should be on 4-5 days rest from now on. So he should start on Game 2, with Estrada going Game 1 and Stro Game 3.

That I don't disagree with!