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It is risky, but if it means we could extend him for 6 years 100 million instead of waiting two more years and extending him for closer to 30mill per year, I’d consider it. I’d risk it with Stroman, but would wait it out with someone like Sanchez because of the blister. I’d want to see a huge bounce back next year before I’d even entertain the idea of extending him.
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Doesn’t surprise me, but what would an extension look like for him? He has what, 3 years of control left? If we offered 6-7 years, could we get him for less than 20mill AAV?
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As much as he annoys me, I would look at extending him before exploring trades. He’s young enough that he can be a part of a short rebuild. I’d love to extend Osuna but I want to trade him mainly because of the high returns on closers.
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I don’t have any specific teams that I can think of as fits, but you could offer to take back a bad contract that at least fills a need. Something like Morales for Ellsbury? I don’t think the Yankees need a DH though. The other way would be to see if someone will take his contract if we offer up a prospect. Would Connor Greene be interesting enough for someone to take the whole contract?
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The Cards and Jays match up well. It’s true that the 3B market is jammed up right now with multiple guys available in trade. The Jays should sweeten the pot by offering up Osuna, too. No point in wasting his cheap years on a middling team when he could fetch up to 3 top prospects alone. If the Jays are looking to turn things around within 2-3 years, the Cards have quite a few guys in the upper minors. I’d target Gyorko, Reyes, Flaherty and Bader as a start. If you can sign Cain and play Gyorko at third, then it’s no worse than Donaldson and the crap we threw out everyday in the outfield last year. Then add Reyes to the rotation and that’s a team that can still compete for a WC, while stockpiling for the future. Also, there’s 20mill or more in veteran contracts that come off the books each year for the next few years. That money can be used to extend young guys while eventually adding an impact veteran or two when the young guys are all ready to contribute.
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BA and personal list, I guess: 1.Vlad 2.Bichette 3.Alford 4.Pearson 5.Jansen 6.Warmoth 7.Gurriel 8.Zeuch 9.SRF 10.Pannone Urena at 10 wouldn’t shock me though.
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I mentioned discussing Osuna, in addition to Donaldson, in another thread in trade talks with the Cards. I don’t even think offering him up is necessarily throwing in the towel on the season. If we signed a guy like Cain for the OF and picked up Gyorko, our production wouldn’t be any worse than what we got from Donaldson and our outfield garbage last year. Plus we’d have Reyes by June for the rotation and some legit depth in AAA if we send Osuna in a deal, as well. I’d hate losing one or both of those guys, but the Cards have lots of interesting players in the upper minors that could help us now and in the long term.
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Cards are apparently going hard after Colome. Wonder what we could get from them if we dangled Donaldson and Osuna. Gyorko, Reyes, Flaherty and Bader would be a nice start...
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Rogers looking into selling blue jays.....
Cbert replied to Sammy225's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
He’s the reason why it’s also unlikely we extend Sanchez. Though I think Boras does have a better relationship with Shapiro than our last FO. -
Rogers looking into selling blue jays.....
Cbert replied to Sammy225's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
The problem is it wasn’t just “a” team that got him, it was a division rival. And not only did they get him, they pretty much gave up zero prospects which means they could still add a young stud starter if they want. I’m not completely against the Jays going for it next year, but I’m also hoping they’re starting to make other plans just in case they can’t get guys like Cain and Darvish because those are they guys they need to target. There isn’t enough parity in the division to patch a team together. -
Rogers looking into selling blue jays.....
Cbert replied to Sammy225's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
I’m hoping after this deal that they’ll at least start seriously considering offers for guys like Donaldson, Osuna, Happ and Smoak. The AL East is looking like it could be a two horse race for the next few years, but the Jays could be ready to compete with them in the next 2-3 years if they sell some guys now rather than try to patch a WC team together. -
It’s decent when healthy, which is rarely the case. I get his bat is garbage now, but maybe a move to a less demanding position would help him offensively, along with a move back to the friendly confines of Coors. I don’t necessarily buy what I just said, but would love to see the Rox, or anyone really, take him and a good chunk of his contract.
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Maybe the Rox will get nostalgic and will offer to take on half his contract to play 1B for them! I’d accept a bucket of baseballs from their humidor in return.
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Sorry forgot to post the link in the previous post. https://www.google.ca/amp/jaysfromthecouch.com/2017/11/16/toronto-blue-jays-shohei-ohtani-rogers-communications-might-able-help/amp/ This guy is saying we're at a million because of the trade. Not saying he's accurate but looking at most of the big signings from the same site back in July, we spent about 4.3mill of our 4.75 budget. Now I'm assuming the other guys that were signed without a dollar amount attached means they were under 10 grand. If we traded for, let's say 500k from the Cards, that would put us close to a million. Not sure who is correct, though. It'd be nice if someone wrote a piece that looked at all signings and financial additions to the pools to show what exactly remains for that current signing period.
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Just found this article. I guess we moved Lane Thomas for pool money that put us around a million? We traded him to STL but don't know for how much.
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Can't recall. Just could've sworn I remember reading somewhere that the jays were in that group of teams with about a million to spend. Anyone know of a site that tracks international budgets?
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I thought we had just under a million, no?
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As great a farm system as the Cards have, I feel like these two just don't match up for this type of trade because of the reason you've mentioned. The Marlins seem hellbent on paring down their payroll significantly, and the Cards already have a payroll of close to $130mill going into next season. I don't think they've ever cracked 150mill, either. Can't see them being willing to give up all of that and shatter their payroll ceiling all in one go.
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Definitely keep Jansen and Pannone. I think I'd keep Tellez because I really want to see what he does now that the family stuff is behind him, and use Greene as a trade chip. Not sure about Perdomo and Rios. I probably would've said protect a year or so ago, but I don't think either of them did much this year. I'd just leave them off and hope they get through. Romano and Pentecost are the two I'm on the fence about. I guess it depends on what kind of moves they try to make. If they consider moving a guy like Donaldson for some younger, better pitching prospects, then I'd rather hold onto the bats we have and hope some fringe guys pan out. Otherwise, I keep Romano and see if someone will trade for Pentecost.
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Man those away numbers look pretty good. Definitely a guy worth looking at. I wonder if he might be a #1 target for the Jays now since both Cobb and Lynn had QOs attached to them. Does anyone think the Jays might pursue a guy like Otani even more aggressively now since those two other guys now have QOs attached to them? Their contracts should be reasonable but this FO doesn't seem to want to sacrifice picks and allotment money on top of contracts. Chatwood is definitely a good target, too, but it seems like dumpster diving after that.
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Yeah I believe he's out all next season. They probably let him go so they can resign him for way less to rehab. I think he was going to make something like $7mill next year. Too bad. I was hoping the Jays could get him in a Donaldson deal in the hopes of getting an extra prospect like Alcantara thrown in to offset the cost. Damn!
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I think it was more Price and the return of Stroman that provided a boost. Also, wasn't the Jays record far worse than it should've been leading up to the deadline? It seems more like the bad luck that plagued them all season disappeared.
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I think they could definitely do that, but I don't see any reason for them to. If they were to take on Stanton's contract and seriously pursue Machado and Harper, then they're just making it harder for themselves to extend their young players without paying huge penalties years from now. I don't think they want to operate that way anymore.
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Well yea. He'd just be the highlight of the return. I just meant that I'd rather this team have something like Stanton and a young stud starter in Reyes than extend Donaldson. I'd love to see Stanton and Donaldson terrorize pitchers together next year, but that means you're likely letting him walk for nothing the following offseason and I don't think a trade deadline return for him would be that much either.
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Yea I guess there's always a way when you can operate the way they do. They've got 114mill tied up for next year though, and baseball reference projects it to be close to 150 after arbitration. It'd be tough to take on Stanton, get a quality starter and fill a few other positions with short term guys and stay under the luxury tax threshold.