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Brad Hand has three years of control left (two more cheap years plus a team option) and they also gave up a kid with a 1.1 WAR to date who has five years of control as well. Its not really comparable.

"#1 potential" is something that is shown at the MLB level, not at 17 years old. So no, at this point he doesn't have "#1 potential".

The team isn't contending next season and he's a 36 year old reliever. Team option means his value is greater than that of just a rental. His value will never be higher, and he has no long-term use for our team, ergo NOT trading him would be absolutely ridiculous, especially considering that he's pitching on a "high streak" heading into the deadline.

Liriano can hit a high and basically pitch at an elite level at any point in time. Loup is Loup: completely forgettable. That is the difference.

How does Oh not make that list? His value is much greater than Clippard's. Do some of you not realize that he's up to 0.8 WAR, has been pitching at an elite level for nearly a month now (2 ER in his last 18 appearances?), and has a super-friendly team option for next season? He should be the first dude out after Happ.

Read the recent reports, bro. Even his own organization (Cleveland) wasn't impressed with him behind the plate.

No, his receiving is a question mark.

I mean, I think the article found some level of proof. Since most guys who get TJ are in their mid/late 20's they typically don't last long enough to test the "10 year rule" anyway. Guys like Osuna who had it super young will definitely be interesting case studies because he should still be in his prime at the 10-year mark given that he was what? 18 or 19 when he had the procedure done?

Its been a theory that has been proposed.

They traded Mejia!

Those guys (deGrom, Archer, etc) are harder to trade because the asking price has to actually line up. Just because Philly for instance would prefer to go "all in" for deGrom, it doesn't mean that the Mets will want what they have in their system, especially considering the asking price will be huge. deGrom, Archer, Syndergaard won't be dealt "just because", so in reality only a handful of teams can actually put together those packages, and they also have to WANT to unload their systems to do so. The Yankees can do it, but does it look like they want to give up the prospects it would actually take? Not really. Its a lot more complicated than "oh you're asking too much for Happ, we'll just add a bit more and get deGrom".

They got Zeuch, Bichette, and Biggio in their first draft. Pearson and Kevin Smith in their second. That is 5 of our ~Top 12-15 prospects in a strong farm system. Lots of interesting post-10th round players too (Chavez Young, Noda, Abbadessa, DJ Neal, Schneider, etc, etc). This past draft looks potentially elite with Groshans (huge hype building), Conine (elite tools and mashing), and Kloffenstein (potential 1st round talent). With no extra picks we very realistically landed 3 first round talents in this last draft, which is absolutely elite execution. I think that you are reaching big time. What, because Biggio and Smith came from College they were bad picks? D.J. Daniels went a round after Biggio as a high schooler and signed for the same dollar amount...who? Exactly.

They've had two "college heavy" drafts to balance out the mid-upper levels of the system which were barren when they got here, and even in those drafts they used 2nd round picks on HS players. There was absolutely nothing "college heavy" about this last draft, unless you want to count spending 73% of your TOTAL pool on two HS players as somehow being "college heavy".

Why the hell would he take the qualifying offer LMAO? He gets $30+ million easily on a two year deal, which for a guy who's about to turn 36 in ~3 months is a no-brainer.

He looked dominant tonight until a terrible error and a bunch of poorly hit balls landed in the perfect spots to extend at-bats or dribble in for base hits. He then gave up a HR on like the 50th pitch of the inning, which is about what you should expect with any pitcher on the mound. Luckily for us MLB teams do actual scouting, they don't trade precious assets on the premise of looking at box scores. His value isn't going to be shot because Eduardo Nunez hit a seeing-eye single off him.

I don't get the Stroman/Romero comparison at all. Romero would go on wild streaks wherein he couldn't even hit the strike zone, when he "fell apart" his walk rates were brutal. If anything, Stroman's issue is often throwing too many strikes ("pitching to contact").

Travolta starred in Pulp Fiction the same year Forrest Gump came out. If he was actually offered the role, that would likely be why he turned it down.

He's a real prospect now. Have you been under a rock these past few months or something?

Remember when Bickford was telling everyone that he wanted like $4.5 million and we drafted him anyway, only to offer him something like less than $3 million LOL? At this point this s*** can't just keep being a coincidence. It's as if he thinks he can seriously strong arm these kids into signing for below slot. We also missed on Singer because of some phantom injury that didn't even prevent him from dominating as a true Freshman at Florida.

Alex Anthopolous is at it again; it doesn't look like Carter Stewart is signing lmao.

Bichette and Jansen are going to the Future's Game.

I saw the Tulo trade as dumping Reyes (a dead weight contract) to get a guy who was figuratively just turning the clock back a year or so on Reyes, with an even longer contract that would become dead weight. This is basically exactly what ended up happening. It was a completely short-sighted move, which I guess you could excuse as "necessary" at the time, but anyone with a brain should have been able to foresee that a guy who couldn't stay healthy at all in his 20's (Tulo's injury history was historically bad) was going to be a complete mess in his 30's. Why the hell would you expect him to "age gracefully"? He was obviously going to fall off a cliff as no shortstop (a highly physically demanding position) can survive that many major injuries. The majority of you falsely evaluate prospects given up. Its not a matter of whether or not the guys we traded away became anything or not. Prospects are like currency: the evaluation comes from what you used your currency on. AA's biggest mistake wasn't trading prospects away, it was that he kept acquiring overpaid declining veterans that ended up completely f***ing up our payroll flexibility. The fact that no one from that Marlins trade became a star player doesn't magically negate the fact that we added something like $60 million in payroll that ended up being horribly inefficient allocation of resources. Need I remind you all that a year after that trade we actually went into the season with Osuna and Castro up from A-ball to fill the bullpen, Norris in the rotation, and Pompey in the OF? Those were desperation moves because we had no more payroll flexibility to fill holes with valid options, so we were forced to rush up a bunch of kids to patch holes on the roster. Osuna ended up working out, the other 3 were flops. Trading your farm for Chris Sale is fine; the STUPID move is trading your farm for guys like Dickey (old and a fluke), Reyes and Johnson (injury risk and obvious significant decline risk in the case of Reyes who was an all-speed type of player that wouldn't age well), and then Tulo (monumentally bad injury history with tons of years left on his deal) who was actually brought in because we had to FIX the mistake that was Reyes.

He didn't "fall", he went in the range where players like him typically go in. Brent Rooker put up MUCH better stats than Beer did in the strongest conference in NCAA baseball (the SEC) and no one was hyping him up as anything other than a ~Comp 1st-2nd round pick. Sure, you can make the case that Rooker was older, but even Gavin Sheets put up roughly similar stats and he went in the 2nd round. Seth Beer really wasn't doing anything overtly mind-blowing as a 1B/DH college masher; there's guys like him in most drafts, and they typically fall in that range.