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I'd do Price + Myers for EE (probably + as well) but I can't see TB making either of those deals. -
I can see AA and the Jays expanding the deal and sending prospects to TB for Kemp....
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No, it actually wouldn't. They are trying to build a contender and they haven't developed an Edwin and don't have one on the doorstep. If they need another bat to get them over the hump and they need to do it in a cost controlled manner then they will most likely deal from a strength, like young pitching, to fill the gap.
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I'd love to see you defend the Edwin-Anderson comp, baseless premise.
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Last season 36 pitchers threw more than 200 innings (Price wasn't one of them), 18 players had a wRC+ over 140 -- seriously, which skill is rarer?
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How does a team like the Pirates add a hitter of Edwin's talent under payroll another way? There aren't going to be any Kemp's going to Pitt without huge money being eaten.
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I made a bonehead mistake.
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You know what I can't because it's not true. I forgot that ERA- and wRC+ were a % and not runs, a huge mistake. EE produced 45% more runs than average and Price let up 12% less runs than average. To get the true value in terms of runs you'd have to do more math. You can get both runs over replacement easily by multiply WAR by 10 but, a replacement level hitter and pitcher are different things.
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I;d give up Sanchez + Stroman + for Price before Edwin's name even came up.
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You are talking an absolute haul for Edwin right now. From the Pirates I'd want Cole + Heredia and R. Martin, from the Orioles Bundy + Wieters; multiple elite pieces. Proven elite hitters on insanely team friendly deals are the rarest and hardest to acquire asset in baseball.
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What's your point? How many years has Price been elite? Even by the loosest of definitions the answer is one - three. Edwin is cost controlled and Price is looking for a payday. Unless there is a lot more than Price coming back there really isn't a deal to be made IMO.
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No a pitching win is different than a hitting win. They've come up with ways to try and make them comparable and on similar scales but you still can't make the comparisons that are going on ITT.
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Two. You do realize this is readily available info, right?
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You are severely under-valuing Edwin and over-valuing Price. If you replaced Price's name with Kershaw, Scherzer, Verlander, Harvey, Lee, Sale, Harvey, etc you could start to make your case but you aren't even talking about a truly elite pitcher.
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You can't use pitcher and player WAR that way, it's not a comparison tool in that matter. Price only saved 12 runs less than the average pitcher last year. Edwin produced 45 more runs on offense than the average hitter. One is an elite talent level, the other is not.
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That's fine, if they're clamouring it's because the team tanked again and needs to be rebuilt.
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Buehrle is a 4x AS, 4x GG winner and top 5 CY finisher. #Hardware
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Pitcher and hitter WAR aren't equivalents.
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This is how you end up moving Synder and d'Arnaud for Dickey
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How many more years before Price is declining? How many more until he blows out of his arm. Pitchers carry significantly more risk than hitters. Edwin is a top 10 hitter. Price isn't even a top 30 talent. You're just plain wrong on many levels here.
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EE has 3 seasons $29M left on his deal and Price is under control for the same amount of time but even though he is subjected to the arb process for three more seasons will make more than EE.
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I think you're looking at 6yr ~$18M AAV for Choo, I think you'd have to be insane to offer anything close to that to Ulbaldo, rumours are he's already been offered 5yrs $17M so he'll get at least that IMO.
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Just, simply not true.
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Annnnnnnd my eyes are bleeding JFaS
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Choo just makers way too much in the 2-slot for AA to not pursue him. Of course he's a Boras client and top tier free agent so the Jays wont even consider it.
