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Interested what everyone thinks AA will get for a budget

Wow these guys get PAID to write this s*** . Where do I sign on .

I have absolved AA of some of the blame . I can't believe he went 180 degrees without pressure from above . Rogers needed the splash for sportsnet. He still made the deals so bears some responsibiiity . Had the team been healthy we might be looking at it totally different .JJ and Morrow pitch to expectations and Reyes is there all year and what is the outcome .

Here is what BA had to say in their chat on the League top 20 Tom (San Francisco, CA): Did Matt Dean not make it because he was repeating the league? Clint Longenecker: Matt Dean was a very tough call. It was not simply the fact that he was repeating the league but that he had had the highest BABIP in the league (.436), which is unsustainable, and still struck out a fair amount (24.5 percent). He was in the next five players and had a very strong argument for being in the top 20. As a corner infielder repeating the league, evaluators wanted to see Dean have a stronger approach (6 percent walk rate) and more secondary skills. Jean-François (Montreal): Matt Dean's peripherals are not pretty, and his production was helped by unsustainable BABIP. Can he still make it back into prospect contention after this decent year? Clint Longenecker: Very astute, Jean-Francois. Yes, he is back in prospect contention. Although he was not included on the list, he made HUGE developmental strides this year. Last year, Dean got into trouble with a large stride that left him off balance and left him in a poor position to hit. He stopped striding this year and his swing had much better balance. His pitch recognition also improved. He showed dedication to his craft as he kept a book in the dugout to document every pitch he saw during every at-bat. By the way, I will be doing the Blue Jays top 30 this year. I look forward to digging into their system even more.

Now that isn't even hard . JPA would get 99% of the votes Jays need to run an offseason like they are training a marathon team so they won't wind up the most injured team in baseball

What Changed . Quite simple ,Rogers with a hockey strike looming and Beeston pointing out the state for the Red Sox and Yankees told AA to go all in . Now everyone blames AA cause it backfired . He was the darling of the media after the deals and now he is the goat and Rogers/Beeston are asking WTF AA . Only way AA saves his career now is to really go all in and that will probably set this team back for 5 years .

Question , How much value do these Vets lose if we keep them till the trade deadline ? I think very little thus I see what this team can do in the first half . Unfortunately I believe AA,s job is on the line here so a firesale at the deadline even if we aren't close seems unlikely . Ownership would rather roll a head even if it is innocent than admit they were even partly to blame . What is best for the long term health of the team isn't in the equation anymore . The more I look back the more I realize how stupid going all in last year was .

Texas wouldn't move Profar for Upton last year and would NEVER trade Perez for a closer .

AA was well on his way to doing it once so I have no problem having him go at the rebuild again .

I firmly believe ownership forced this on AA . He had a plan and was well on his way to making that plan a reality then totally changes course . He will take the fall but this came from above as I have stated many times

Obviously riding it out the 3 years puts us over the cliff . I don't know anyone advocating that except maybe Rogers/ Beeston .

What good would that do . Spite only screws everyone including yourself . What do you do when your bosses instruct you to go down a path you think is wrong . You quit or follow the path . When proven wrong the Boss always blames those who did what they were told . Always the way . A lot of us disagreed with the change in direction but now all in no sense not trying to fix as long as it doesn't hurt the long term . I would trade Rasmus or Bautista for young MLB ready pitching . look to compete and gut if I didn't

We are on the cliff already . It is like I posted the whole team ( Most of it) is a 2 year stop gap . AA made that decision when he gutted the farm instead of following the plan he had . We could have been in the cards position or similar in 3 years but I believe ownership forced this . We can take a shot in 2014 ( hugley dependent on health ) and if it doiesn't work then we Have to gut or go over the cliff

LOL Jay , I guess I should have stated a budget . Love your offseason though if money isn't an issue . I'd even take Ruiz instead of McCann

I would agree Peach but now that we have gone this far i would choose B and see where we are in July . If not right in it I would gut the team and rebuild

Interested what the majority would do If they were the GM and had total support from ownership While the offense with health could be very good the rotation has obvious holes at the top of the order.

IL chat Johnny (Toronto): Was Anthony Gose qualified for this list? If so, how close did he come to cracking the Top 20? Thanks. John Manuel: Anthony Gose exhausted his prospect eligibility in 2012. He’s in that BA netherworld as a 22-year-old who is still really a prospect and not an established big leaguer, but he’s no longer eligible for our lists. In many ways he’s the same player, though some of our reports have his once premium throwing arm having backed up. He’s got elite range in CF as well as plus plus speed, but he still chases too much at the plate. It’s hard to see him as a regular if he continues to expand the zone and chase as he has. Mike (Buffalo): was Ryan Goins from Buffalo considered? Seemed he has elite defence but average bat. How about Anthony Gose? Hit tool too below average? John Manuel: Goins is impressive defensively. He has SS range at 2B and plenty of arm. Maybe he’s the next John McDonald. The bat is light for a regular role. Clint (BC, Canada): Kevin Pillar looked really lost at the plate in his brief time with the Jays, especially on offspeed stuff, often swinging at pitches no where near the strike zone. I watched him in AAA with the Bisons and he didn't have great plate discipline but nothing like I saw when he faced Major League pitching. Has the outlook changed for him, or is it possible for him to make the necessary adjustments? Also is his ceiling still considered to be a 4th OF? John Manuel: He may defend enough to be an everyday CF. He continues to earn Reed Johnson comparisons, but his defense in CF might be enough to make him a regular, whereas Johnson was mostly a platoon guy who stuck to the corners. The fact that people liked his defense in CF is what got him into the top 20. He shouldn’t be a better player than Gose; he doesn’t have Gose’s tools. But he is a better player because he can hit. He clearly has some adjustments to make to hit MLB pitching but his track record is that he excels at making adjustments.

Wow . I may be wrong on P 19. Kevin Pillar, of, Buffalo (Blue Jays) Age: 24. B-T: R-R Ht.: 6-0. Wt.: 200. Drafted: Cal State Dominguez Hills, 2011 (32). Kevin Pillar Kevin Pillar (Photo by Mike Janes) Pillar leaped from Double-A New Hampshire to the Blue Jays this season, which meant he had to fulfill his preseason promise to his fiancé that they get married when he made it to the majors. Buffalo’s igniter as its leadoff man, Pillar makes use of a scrappy batting style and plays with reckless abandon in center field. His bat control, short swing and upper body strength make him a good candidate for hitting at the top of the order. Pillar doesn’t walk much, but he makes enough contact to hit perhaps .275 with a dozen home runs. The hard-nosed Pillar can play any of the outfield spots, but is best suited to center where he is adept at racing back on the ball. He’s driven to prove he belongs despite his low draft status. “He takes a short path to the ball,” Buffalo manager Marty Brown said. “He’s a very confident hitter. He can hit just about anywhere.” AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG 201 30 60 19 4 4 27 12 39 8 5 .299 .341 .493 20. Joey Terdoslavich, of, Gwinnett (Braves) Age: 23. B-T: B-R. Ht.: 6-0. Wt.: 200. Drafted: Long Beach State, 2010 (6). joey-terdoslavich-2013-mugDrafted as a third baseman, Terdoslavich shifted across the diamond to first in 2011 and started picking up games in right field this spring at Gwinnett. He made a smooth transition, gunning out six baserunners and earning a big league callup in early July that turned out to last the season. The Braves used Terdoslavich as a spot starter in left field and primary pinch-hitter. The nephew of former big league outfielder Mike Greenwell, Terdoslavich dominated righthanders at Triple-A, batting .340/.375/.617 with 17 homers in 253 at-bats. His swing features an uppercut from both sides of the plate and pitchers with strong secondary offerings can exploit holes in his swing. Terdoslavich doesn’t offer much in terms of speed, but his versatility, ability to switch-hit and raw power could make him a useful contributor. AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG 321 48 102 21 1 18 58 23 65 3 6 .318 .359 .567 Related posts: Top Fantasy Prospects: Myers Still No. 1 2013 Top 100 Prospects List Minor League Opening Day Roster Analysis Index Minor League Transactions: July 25-31 2 Minors | #Allen Webster #Atlanta Braves #Avisail Garcia #Baltimore Orioles #Billy Hamilton #Boston Red Sox #Carlos Sanchez #Chicago White Sox #Chris Archer #Cincinnati Reds #Cleveland Indians #Cody Asche #Danny Salazar #Darin Ruf #Detroit Tigers #Erik Johnson #Gerrit Cole #Jackie Bradley #Jake Odorizzi #Joey Terdoslavich #Jonathan Schoop #Kevin Pillar #League Top 20 Prospects #Minnesota Twins #Nick Castellanos #Oswaldo Arcia #Philadelphia Phillies #Pittsburgh Pirates #Tampa Bay Rays #Toronto Blue Jays #Trevor Bauer #Wil Myers #Xander Bogaerts Add a Comment To be included in the above list means I might be wrong on Pillar.

AA had No Jays in the top 20 prospects but here is one that again we traded 10. Jake Marisnick, of, Jacksonville (Marlins) Age: 22. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-3. Wt.: 225. Drafted: HS—Riverside, Calif., 2009 (3/Blue Jays). jake-marisnick-2013-mf Jake Marisnick (Photo by Morris Fostoff) The headlining prospect received by the Marlins when they offloaded veterans Mark Buehrle, Josh Johnson and Jose Reyes to the Blue Jays last November, Marisnick has power that played (.502 slugging in 67 games) in his return engagement at Double-A after laying dormant the previous year in the Eastern League (.336 slugging in 55 games). The secret to his success: He abandoned his pull-only approach, opting instead to stay back and use the middle of the field. The natural strength and loft in Marisnick’s swing could translate into 20-plus homers annually, though he’ll need to cut down on his strikeout rate to hit more than .250 with regularity. Marisnick really shines in center field, where he’s a double-plus defender with a strong arm who reads the ball well off the bat. A plus runner who isn’t afraid to take extra bases on balls in play and push the issue with stolen bases, Marisnick has 20-20 potential. The biggest thing working against him is general over-aggressiveness both on the bases and at the plate, where he could stand to work himself into more fastball counts. AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG 265 43 78 13 3 12 46 17 68 11 6 .294 .358 .502

Some chat Mike (Buffalo): were there any other Dunedin Blue Jays considered for the list? John Manuel: I like Andy Burns as a player but couldn’t get any scouts to bite. The consensus seemed to be not enough power at 3B but not good enough defense for 2B. I’ve been following Burns’ career since Fort Collins, Colo., days, and that seems to be the same story ever since then. He’s proved some people wrong so far so we’ll see. Tyler Ybarra is a nice sleeper, big time power LH arm, and he’s headed to the AFL.

Jays have 4 drafted players on this list . trouble is they traded 3 of them away . 6. Noah Syndergaard, rhp, St. Lucie (Mets) Age: 21. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-6. Wt.: 240. Drafted: HS—Mansfield, Texas, 2010 (1s/Blue Jays). Noah Syndergaard Noah Syndergaard (Photo by Cliff Welch) While R.A. Dickey didn’t deliver as the Blue Jays had hoped, Syndergaard did for the Mets after being the key piece in the offseason trade that centered around the 2012 National League Cy Young Award winner. Scouts and managers considered him the easy choice as the best pitching prospect in the FSL thanks to a premium fastball, notable as much for its arm-side run and ability to get in on righthanded hitters as for its premium 94-98 mph velocity. Syndergaard adds a fine pitcher’s build and clean delivery, both indicative of durability. Scouts and managers in the FSL considered his secondary stuff—he throws both a curveball and slider as well as a firm changeup—closer to average, with the change more on the fringy side. Lefthanded hitters had success against him both in the FSL (.733 OPS) and in the Eastern League (.909 OPS). “His fastball is heavy,” Palm Beach manager Johnny Rodriguez said. “It really explodes out of his hand. He has the fastball to be a No. 1 starter, but his secondary stuff might make him more of a No. 3.” G GS W L SV ERA IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG 12 12 3 3 0 3.11 64 61 25 22 3 16 64 .255 10. Aaron Sanchez, rhp, Dunedin (Blue Jays) Age: 21. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-4. Wt.: 190. Drafted: HS—Barstow, Calif. (1s). Aaron Sanchez Aaron Sanchez (Photo by Cliff Welch) Selected four spots ahead of Syndergaard in the same Blue Jays draft, Sanchez rivals his former teammate for pure fastball goodness. Sanchez’s long legs, loose arm and athleticism help produce electric heat in the 94-97 mph range. His fastball has late life, and he threw more strikes with it as the year went on, gaining confidence along the way. His power breaking ball gives him a second plus pitch. He throws a 1-to-7 curveball with power, usually in the 78-82 mph range but at times harder, with excellent rotation and bite. “I’ve sat with scouts who thought we taught him a slider,” Blue Jays pitching coordinator Dane Johnson said, “but that’s just his curve. It has real power behind it.” Sanchez’s changeup lags behind as a third pitch, but he won’t need it much if he continues to improve his control as he did this year. He reduced his walk rate by nearly a full batter per nine innings, dropping from 5.1 last year to 4.2 in 2013. Still, Sanchez must throw more strikes and go deeper into games more consistently—he was on a 90-pitch limit this season—to fulfill his frontline starter potential. G GS W L SV ERA IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG 22 20 4 5 0 3.34 86 63 40 32 4 40 75 .202 16. Justin Nicolino, lhp, Jupiter (Marlins) Age: 21. B-T: L-L. Ht.: 6-3. Wt.: 190. Drafted: HS—Orlando, 2010 (2/Blue Jays). Acquired from the Blue Jays in the Jose Reyes-Mark Buerhle megadeal in the offseason, Nicolino was back in the same league as former Toronto teammates Noah Syndergaard (now with the Mets) and Aaron Sanchez. All three were part of the same 2010 draft class. Nicolino has the best command of the trio and ranks among the best pitchers in the minors in that regard. Nicolino repeats his quiet, efficient delivery and walked just 1.7 batters per nine innings in the FSL this season. Some scouts give him 70 control and present major league average command. His changeup is his best pitch, earning plus grades. At his best, his fastball has similar tailing action as his change, but while it touches 94 mph, it sits more comfortably at 89-92. Nicolino’s curve also earns average grades, thrown with solid power at 74-77 mph. He gets in trouble when he misses up because he doesn’t have the velocity to challenge hitters. He projects as a back-of-the-rotation starter. G GS W L SV ERA IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG 18 18 5 2 0 2.23 97 89 27 24 4 18 64 .247 18. Anthony DeSclafani, rhp, Jupiter (Marlins) Age: 23. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-2. Wt.: 195. Drafted: Florida, 2011 (6/Blue Jays). DeSclafani has made quick progress while adjusting back to starting after shifting to the bullpen in his final two seasons at Florida. He aired out his fastball up to 97 mph in college as a reliever, and he has maintained good velocity as a pro starter, sitting 90-94 and touching 96 regularly. He holds that velocity fairly deep into games, and because he relies on his two-seamer heavily he gets plenty of groundballs. DeSclafani’s slider is his second-best pitch, though it’s more of a groundball pitch than a swing-and-miss two-plane breaking ball. Scouts grade the slider as average and his change as fringe-average, but his change generally has sink and complements his fastball. DeSclafani’s arm works well and he pounds the zone. His stuff would play up in the bullpen, but he’s efficient enough and gets enough groundballs to profile as a back-end starter. G GS W L SV ERA IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG 12 12 4 2 0 1.67 54 48 18 10 3 9 53 .236

Well my teams are out .got a Moose ,Caribou ,and a grizzly so i guess i'll go Elk hunting . Can't see myself watching the Dodgers or the Red Sox unless they were playing a team i really liked.

Wouldn't be surprised if it was Kevin Seitzer . I'm sure Mottola will get a job. Most baseball people will look at the results and his success over the last few years.

Jays have little hope without Morrow making 30 starts as the ace. In other words Jays have little hope. Currently Jays have a 3and a 4th starter and a whole pile of 6,7 and 8 th starters . Cecil isn't a one of two so what would be the point. I would trade him while his value is high. Jaysblue,s suggestion of Cecil and Janssen/Santos to the Snakes for a salary dump guy like Cahill gets you another 3 .Then for f***s sake add a defensive catcher . Then as hurl said Hope and pray !! Realize that won't likely work so Hope and pray more .

How would our farm system look if we had signed Paxton ,Beede , and Bickford. I have bitched for years that we don't develop the picks we do get. AA has too much loyalty to the farm development people. Go rob the Cards system. Beeston and AA stated that would make this a place where the best scouts and development people wanted to come like it was before the Riccardi era.. So prove it . When you evalaluate JPR remember the long list of failed first round picks. Moot point I guess since AA doesn't sign any.