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After seeing what Chapman got for an extension, I think Bregman at least gets $200M now over 7-8 years, which is quite pricey for an aging 3B and for someone who isn't as elite offensively as he once was. Yoán Moncada could be a nice buy low option, but I think with Clement/Barger and the possibility of Vladdy playing some 3B next season, the Jays might be alright with their in-house options to save some FA cash, as long as they add big bats in left field and at DH. Should be easy to sign one or two BP arms with high K rates. A lot are available.

If Atkins/Shapiro are both still around, they're going to still contend in 2025. YRod and Francis have both impressed this season, but handing them both rotation jobs like you said definitely wipes out any depth this team had. I would leave one rotation spot open for competition. The Jays might need to call upon one of them during the season and would be better than scrambling to find someone to just give you innings. Would also sign another arm to be a swingman if there is room on the roster and in the payroll, someone like a Jake Junis or a Nick Martinez if they come at reasonable prices. It doesn't hurt.

Yeah would welcome Jansen back in a heartbeat. Nice to have a catching tandem of Kirk/Jansen and I think another catcher is needed anyways. The organization and pitching staff knows him well which is a huge plus versus bringing in a new catcher.

Yeah miraculous turnaround. Foolish to write Hunter Brown off earlier in the year.

Yeah I think the Jays need at least two FA arms for the pen. Remember they traded Yimi Garcia and will need to replace him with a similar type of experienced arm. Would rather see Yariel used in the pen as a multiple inning reliever and keep Francis in the rotation as the No. 5 starter. Just my opinion.

Bregman and his agent are definitely happy when they wake up this morning. He likely now could get a 7 to 8 year deal with more AAV since he has a track record of success offensively as well, whereas Chapman is really just more known for his defensive abilities. I could see Bregman's contract breaking $200M easily.

Yeah 6 years seems like a lot, but I guess they had to had the extra year or two to keep him from testing free agency. Great deal for Chapman, but not sure I would be wanting to pay him $25M AAV starting at the age of 31 for the next six seasons. A lot of his value is tied to his glove so he if regresses defensively as he ages, doesn't have enough of a bat to make up for it. You know what you're going to get with Chapman. He's not a star offensively. He's a guy who can hit anywhere from .220 to .240 with a 110 to 120 wRC+ and around 25 HR's.

Yeah Jackson Merrill is the NL Favourite paying a 1.08 whereas Skenes is second at 9.50. Only way Skenes gets close is he wins like NL Pitcher of the Month in September and Merrill has a drop-off. In the AL, Cowser is the favourite at 1.38 with Austin Wells at 3.10. The rest of the pack is way behind like Wilyer Abreu (26.00), Colt Kieth (91.00), Ceddanne Rafaela (101.00), Luis Gil (101.00) Wyatt Langford (126.00), Jackson Holliday (151.00) and Mason Miller (151.00). Heck, I would put $5 on Mason Miller for fun at those odds. But yeah I see voters likely voting for an everyday guy like Cowser or Wells.

Tough call. Was going to ask this question as well a couple of days ago haha. Paul Skenes has received more media attention in my view, whereas Jackson Merrill hasn't got the same fanfare, though quietly has been really good posting a 4.2 fWAR season thus far and helping the Padres make the Wild Card. It's either one of those two, but since Merrill is an everyday player and has been really good, would go with him. As for the AL, it's not so clear cut. Cowser has been a solid piece for the O's, though offensively he hasn't put up eye popping numbers. He leads all the candidates in terms of WAR. As for Wells, playing behind the plate on a contending team is definitely an advantage. Gil's numbers have slowed down since his hot start. Mason Miller has been electric and one of the best closers/relievers in baseball this season. I know he's just a closer, but his numbers stand out in comparison more to the other candidates. We've seen closers win ROY before, so wouldn't surprise me if Mason Miller gets some serious consideration.

Yeah those three guys definitely the arms of the last two decades and for sure are locks for the Hall of Fame. Not sure if there are any other arms that we could group in with Verlander, Kershaw and Scherzer. Maybe Zack Greinke in the second tier below them. If Chris Sale has a couple more years like he's having now, he likely comes close.

Paul Goldschmidt finally heating up. Right as I trade him in fantasy a couple weeks ago lol.

Lmao

Yeah I was shocked to see how bad his numbers were: 97 wRC+ and a -0.1 WAR. Career wise he has always been a 120 wRC+ or so and around 2 WAR. His first two months he was pretty solid I remember, but yeah his numbers took a nosedive. If he has a hot September, still has some time to make his numbers more respectable when all is said and done. If the Jays had signed him to a 1-year-deal last offseason, would have been okay with that and he would have been offered more power than Turner, which is what this lineup needed. He was a strong bounce back candidate coming off an injury. In hindsight, glad they avoided signing him, especially since it would have required a 2-year deal where he likely now picks up his player option.

Yeah he hasn't looked good at all this season, but his 23 HR's and 70 RBI would rank second on this team. Not sure if he can ever recapture his 2022 form. I guess he accepts the player option since I doubt he gets more than the $17M AAV he gets next season. In hindsight, glad the Jays avoided signing him to the two years, since they likely would be on the hook for $17M next season, which would clog up the payroll. He was a bounce back candidate that didn't pan out.

Yeah will be interesting to see how the market plays out this offseason. What kind of contract was Snell holding out for though last offseason? He signed pretty late which is why he had to settle for that 2 year deal with the player opt out.

Yeah was thinking along the same lines, using the Gausman contract as a benchmark. If Flaherty continues to pitch at an elite level, definitely a very good contract. 5 years would keep Flaherty here until he's 34, so not bad at all.

What does a contract for Flaherty look like?

Yeah who needs a top farm system! Overrated if you ask me! Give Ross the money to spend $20M on another vet starter and another $20-30M to sign two power bats this offseason. Nothing beats having an aging $100M rotation filled with a bunch of mid-rotation starters! Requires a lot of skill and high baseball IQ! That's why we're paying Ross the big bucks!

Why are we talking about Nathan Lukes? FFS!

A lot of you guys need to relax and temper your expectations with some of these callups. It's like everyone is starting to pencil them into the starting lineup in 2025 and beyond after a month or two of ABs. You can't fall in love with these guys and think they're all going to be key everyday players moving forward. Look at Davis Schneider last season for example. Out of all the guys who have been called up this season, Horwitz should be the only one given a spot in the starting lineup at 2B, and possibly Ernie Clement at 3B if the Jays decide they want to save some money at the hot corner. Otherwise, all these other guys heading into 2025 should be bench pieces or in AAA for depth if the Jays expect to contend.

Yeah $15M would be the high end/max. Depends on the # of teams involved. As well, might have to pay more to get him to sign in Toronto. I would feel more comfortable getting Pivetta for around $11-12M for sure. If he's around $15M, would pass and aim higher. If he's going to cost $15M or so, would rather spend a bit more to bring back Kikuchi if that's the case.

Maybe an AAV between $12-15M? Not sure how many years he gets, but max would be 2 to 3 maybe with opt outs. His K/9 over the last two seasons has been intriguing and there is some maybe untapped potential still even if he's 31. Like if you sign him to be a No. 4 or 5 starter, he has the potential to be a decent mid-rotation guy with high K rates.

If Joseph Gordon-Levitt was sitting behind home plate every night, I would.

Yeah for sure, the success rate amongst other organizations isn't that great either. We've seen some pitchers come up dominate for 2 to 3 years, then get injured and miss a lot of time afterwards. Hopefully Francis can be a guy who has a few years of success up in the bigs. Would be a big help for the rotation over the next 2-3 years.