John_Havok

114 wRC+ on the season and climbing (190 in May!?) I bet if he hit that 125 ROS projection the Jays would be fine with that. I doubt they considered a return to the 150-170 he was running at in 2020 and 2021 as realistic for a full season

It is interesting to wonder isn’t it? Instead we get Lopez, who just like Lukes will be relegated to the bench 99% of the time and pinch run every few games. It’s almost like the Jays are cool with running their hitters with 2 fewer roster spots than every other team, and then there’s Biggio….

To answer one of those questions, which is probably the most important one of the convo, yes, there is a massive difference from a team hovering around .500 or better vs a 58 win team, when the ownership of the team is who they are. They need the Jays to be relevant in the standings far more often than not in order to take full advantage of the marketing machine that the team is for them. I’m not even arguing that Atkins has failed to put the finishing touches on the team he built, just that doing what the Orioles are currently doing is also absurd to pattern after, so singing their praises as an org as a model to follow is dumb.

You can honestly sit there and tell me Jays fans would be okay in the present with a .300-.400 win team for 5 straight years in the chance they might get lucky to draft a Jackson Holliday, Rutschman…and a few others? I don’t believe that for a second because they never have before.

If you’re going to insult people could you at least spell out full words? Kids today are so lazy. Fysmcysmfatkys. Bitch.

Pointless to bring up anything beyond when the Jays joined the league. Using that cutoff, the Os have made the playoffs 7 times. 1 WS win. jays have made the playoffs 8 times with 2 WS wins. Sit down and shut the f*** up.

Hindsight is always perfect. The majority of fans aren’t actually capable of big picture thinking and always say they of course would have accepted worse years 3 years ago if it means their team is better this year and definitely would have still showed up to the park ….because those years are already gone and they don’t have the memory of those s***** years so they think they wouldn’t have been so bad. Then you look at reality, and see that of course those fans don’t support the team when the team is bad (see 2019 attendance) they really and truly are completely full of s***.

A good sign

I’m not lecturing the Orioles, I’m lecturing the fair weather fans who are pointing at the Orioles right now and wondering why we can’t have that…when the simple answer is that those fans doing the finger pointing would never want to watch a team play .290 baseball for 5 seasons in order to get the top picks over that period. They constantly demand a winning team, but also constantly demand franchise altering generational draft picks when the team is picking in the 20-30 slots in the first round. They watch the current results of a franchise who have had 6 seasons above .500 in the past 25 f***ing years and act like they’re some model to follow. Right now the Os are reaping the short term benefits of being unbelievably s***** for a quarter of a century. Look at the level of bitching and moaning about the Jays right no who have the 8th best record in baseball. What do you think the level of bitching would be if the Jays allowed themselves to be bottom-feeders for 25 years? They’d never support the team in those times and be constantly whining about how terrible the franchise is. I’d rather see this years Jays team for the next 5 or 6 years than watch what’s gone on in Baltimore for the last 6.

I don’t think people forgot. People like Stottlemyer or others of his ilk, all they do is bitch when things are bad, they never cheer when things are good. I bet we could go back into the gdts from last year and the year before and find the exact same posters who are now crying about the trade, bitching about Gurriel and his bat all of the last 2 seasons.

Impossible to know if Baltimore wanted Jones or Holliday, given that all these top guys probably had predraft deals agreed to in principle. For all we know Jones told them early on he was committed elsewhere so they moved on.

I just stop short of the currently supported narrative by some that Baltimore is somehow now seen a successful and well run franchise. Why? Because they sucked by 6 years and picked top overall twice and 2nd once and were lucky enough to have absolute studs available to them as a result? That doesn’t make you a good franchise. What you do after that to get to the playoffs and maybe win a World Series, and then build a successful long term winner is what makes franchises great. Continued cycles of 6 years tanking and 5 years maybe competing, then 6 years tanking again is not a well run franchise. Yankees, Houston, Dodgers are the cream of the crop in being well run franchises, Atlanta, St Louis…Tampa is about ready to join that club too now that they’ve seemingly got past the s***** down cycles.

Well that's it. Hitters ready to hit and good things I've happen. Get em tomorrow I guess.

Curse is real. They're f***ed

I'm having rime rib tonight I'll see what I can do with the entrails

Everyone's pressing so hard to try and be the hero, just relax boys

Bucks on his farewell tour hopefully.

Vlad just has zero clue what he's doing at the plate right now

Breaking balls were probably by design to get away from the obvious scouting report on him which is fastball heavy. He snapped off some really good ones recently as well.

It's almost impossible to justify carrying biggio on the roster right now. Takes a walk and then immediately gunned by overslidung a stolen base ...

Just so people don’t forget every trade, here’s a list of all of them from 2015/16 off-season up to 2019/20 under Atkins. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/04/gm-trade-history-blue-jays-ross-atkins.html They are largely inconsequential moves. The big ones are obviously the Hutchison trade for Liriano which turn into the Liriano trade for Teoscar. Win and win. The Osuna deal for Giles. Win Grichuk acquired. push? Spare parts used to get him but then he was good, then sucked then traded for a baby giraffe. Donaldson traded for Merriweather. Loss. The Stroman deal. Loss. The underrated move in there was getting Samad Taylor in the Joe Smith trade, since Taylor was used to bring in Merrifield. Realistically the rest of those trades were all in the retooling phase just trying to keep a .500ish team on the field and selling aging vets with no real use for any minor leaguers he could to try and hit the lotto. Gotta remember they were never going to go full tank for 5 seasons playing .290-.400 ball like Baltimore did instead. This market would never accept that kind of ongoing dumpster fire

May 21 Vladdy - 1 Point - jays4life19, JohnHavok Bichette - 1 Point - Chapman - 2 Points - Springer - 2 Points - Spanky Belt - 3 Points - Jonn, Stangstag Kirk - 4 Points - Merrifield - 5 Points - Kiermaier - 6 Points - Lukes - 7 Points - JaysAllMighty, Omar, JaysBlue Off the bench: 10 Points -

You’d bunt to give the worst hitters on the team fewer out to work with?

LOL no. But I know you’re not serious

And still owe him 20 million through 2025. Ah well, that won’t hurt them, they can outspend that mistake.