John_Havok

THe only thing that lines up well is the "Surprisingly good former non-prospect who is old when he debuts" The 6/20 comparison to Whit's 4/16.25 is massively different due to the changes in MLB economics and the service time he had when he signed it. in 2019 when he signed it, the AAV was only slightly less than Ozzie Albies 7/35. Signing Schneider to the inflated equivalent of those two deals would probably have to make the AAV around 7 million or so, give or take a bit. THe proposed deal put him around 3.3. That's a huge difference

I'm really trying to think of one that was even close to the 6/20 thing mentioned and I can't. It's not that I don't think he shouldnt be considered as a candidate, just that those #'s are way off the economic reality of MLB right now. Even the Albies 7/35 was signed before the league minimum went up. That's a huge factor

Things that make that comparison not really usefull: 1) it was 5 years ago, the economic reality of pre-arb players is drastically different now 2) he already had 2 full seasons before he signed it 3) it was 4 years 16.25 with a mutual option worth more than the rest of the contract combined that 0 people thought would ever be picked up. Doesn't really line up.

How does any player justify turning down money? He bet on himself this long, what's another few seasons? Even if he holds out 1 more season and puts up 2-3 WAR he could easily look ahead another year and figure his arbtion pay days would be on track to be far higher than a total of 20 million. Yes yes yes, risk and injury and etc etc, but it's not like he's a pitcher and can be expected to shatter at any moment. I just think if they want to extend him it's not gonna be a 20 million extension for 6 years. It makes sense for the Jays to try of course as that's about as risk averse as it gets, but for the player ... his agent would tell him to turn that down the second it was offered IMO. Just for comparison purposes, Cavan Biggio has already banked 6 million with 2 more Arb years to go(Super 2 so not a perfect comparison .. but close-ish). Him getting around 8 more over the next two seasons is realistic if he stays in the part time/utility role. If all the Jays are going to offer is a few million more than they hypothetically paid Biggio for his entire years of control... nope. I think the # is higher just because of the huge changes in league minimum salary. These guys are already earning over 2 million in their pre-arb years. Arb contract awards are going to go up as well.

None of AA's deals are even remotely close to the possible value of 6 years 20 million with 2 options on the back end. The most inexpensive is 7/35 (albies) then 8/72 for Michael Harris, and 6/75 for Strider and 8/100 for RAJ.

I doubt Schneider signs that. It would also be quite early to do so after 150~ PAs. I think if the Jays want to lock him in, chances are they would do so at the end of next season at the earliest. Might be a bit more costly, but it would still be very manageable.

You're essentially right, the Jays records are very similar from last year to this. The only difference is the records of other teams like Baltimore and Texas.

Lineup protection is a thing, its just nowhere near as big a deal as fans make it out to be. Having anyone hit behind X player doesnt change that player's weaknesses at the plate. You can still get him out with the pitches that normally get him out if you can execute them properly. In that sense, lineup protection is a fallacy that people talk about to try and excuse a hitters failures. "Well, if only we had someone good behind him, then the pitcher would have to throw the other guy more pitches to hit, and the first guy would hit better" Meh. There is a certain logic to it but only if you consider those 2 variables in a vacuum. Does having Aaron Judge hit behind you change your own mindset on what you feel you have to do at the plate? I can't think why it wouldn't have an impact at least on some level. But at the same time... it shouldn't. Any players job at the plate is a simple one, get to 1B. I think the players that are the most successful understand that simple goal and just go out there to do that. Everything that comes their way beyond getting to 1B is the result of a entire array of variables that coincide at that moment in time, just like anything less than getting to 1B is a the result of an entire array of variables that coincide in that moment in time. The hitter can only control a minimal # of things; their overall mindset/approach and their decision making to swing or not swing. Everything else is up in the air.

Let’s get the sticks going again. Couple HRs before Vlad strikes out on a pitch that bounces halfway to the plate would be nice.

OF defense just took a nosedive, hope everything is on the ground. Lol, first pitch hit right to Springer.

I wonder about the timing of Vlad cold streak here. Was it right after that conversation he had with JS after standing there and admiring that looooong single off the wall where he luckily got to 2nd on the bad throw?

Hitting coach and strategist need to go, Rivera needs to go. I’m cool with Walker, Budz and Schneider

The coaching staff told him not to go to 2nd..he went anyways.

A terrible decision. It worked out but I’d be livid on the bench. Even saw on replay the 1b coach was telling him to stay at 1B but he went anyway and should have been out by 10 feet. Blind luck doesn’t excuse terrible decision making

Who has tricep spasm is the Scherzer injury bingo card?

Your sarcasm detector is broken.

Mayza picked a bad time to give up a hit against a lefty.

Have to include international signings, not just drafts.

Doesn’t seem to impact the road teams much

They professional dietitians at every level too, despite the beliefs here to the contrary.

I know he’s gonna be kept in the lineup, but the guys needs to sit a game, maybe more. Simply, he’s the worst hitter on the team right now, the worst defender and the second worst baserunner. The only reason he’s gonna be rolled out there everyday is because of that minuscule chance of hitting 100+ over the wall. Everything with Vlad is rock bottom right now.

Yeah, putting this years rotation with that years offense and it’s another WS flag flying.

As do every other team in baseball. But nobody can help a guy not swing at a pitch 2 feet outside. Jesus Christ Vlad sucks right now

Everyone favorite game show, guess that injury! I was thinking his hip…or a lat.

Gotta love all the armchair psychology going in these threads. Last year “ everyone joking around all the time, nobody is serious about winning…” This season… “everyone so serious, no one has any personality, can’t win….”