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Man I don't know why you're taking Charlie's firing so personally. Like I said to you earlier if you can't see that these guys didn't respect Charlie then I really don't know what to tell you - it was painfully obvious to anyone who knew what they were watching. Nobody is saying you need someone yelling and screaming at these guys day in and day out that is a narrative you keep repeating that nobody else has. Imagine Charlie Montoyo coming into the clubhouse and flipping a lid on the team after that Seattle series. Guys would roll their eyes and probably try and hide their laughter. They didn't take him seriously. Now imagine someone who demands your respect doing it - totally different message sent and received. As far as Driveline or whatever... if a pitcher comes back a better pitcher (which presumably is the reason they went to Driveline) why would the pitching coach want to change anything?
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No I don't think accountability is required in the minor leagues. I think it's best to let 18-23 year olds run wild and let them do whatever they want. Bonding for the boys Like did you even read what I said? Nowhere did I mention anything about accountability. I think it's easier for Charlie to hold a 20 year old in AA accountable than it is for him to hold Bo Bichette or Vladdy accountable. Why? Because Vladdy and Bo would walk all over him because he's not fit to lead a major league team that's why.
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Yup agreed. He's not a leader, that became obvious.
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Bichette might look like Justin Bieber but I'm pretty sure he works his ass off you're right. There is no doubt Dante wasn't a "do your best son" kind of dad, Dante was an intense get your s*** done kid kind of dad. Exact opposite of Charlie.
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Chuckles is the perfect minor league manager. No pressure to win, the ability to mesh with the staff and new guys year after year, positive attitude, allow the other coaches to work with players to develop skills and just sit back and oversee the operation.
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I believe 100% that the clubhouse grew tired of Charlie. I think it’s pretty plain to see. Does that mean they don’t like him as a person? Doubt it. But they were probably tired of the way he was doing his job.
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Believe it or not pro athletes want to be held accountable. This notion that managing the egos of millionaires is impossible because they’ll do what they want anyway is wrong. These guys have spent quite literally their entire lives under the instruction of someone else. They thrive on being told what to do, having positive reinforcement when they do something right and being told when they are doing something wrong. Whether that’s in the weight room, analyzing swings, footwork on balls in play, etc. Their abilities don’t make them immune from criticism from superiors especially at the highest level. If that superior can’t hold them accountable then problems and bad habits will begin to surface.
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1000%
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No I don’t
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Players are wrong all the time when they think they got the out or were safe - of course. Natural reaction. Have you ever seen a player tell their team not to challenge and then be wrong? I haven’t.
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Honestly it’s not hard to see that these guys weren’t worried about repercussions from their (former) manager nor did they respect his authority. I’d say 80% of the forum agrees and it’s not a very controversial take. If you can’t see that then I don’t think I’ll be able to explain it to you
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Just saw the Vladdy error last night on Jays in 30 Why wouldn’t they listen to him? He’s the guy on the field Dumb
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Presumably* The viewer has eyes on the dugout for 60s of a 180 minute game. Impossible to deduct from that
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I mean how many seconds of a broadcast are spent on the dugout? 45?
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I agree the end of the dugout is a problem but the only logical piece to move is Gurriel. Can’t move Teoscar because that’s selling at pretty much rock bottom and nobody else is the barrio is getting moved. That being said I’d gladly trade Gurriel. His biggest asset is his salary and is completely expendable in my view.
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Charlie seems like a good guy. He served his purpose and I’m not going to celebrate someone losing their job, but this is the right call. Something had to give and the Jays need someone else to lead this team.
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I think we should hire someone’s grandma to manage I think Charlie is being too hard on the guys
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You’re right that I don’t have insider knowledge. What I can do is decipher and form an opinion from what I see and that’s (I’m going to repeat other posters points) no accountability on either side of the ball, an oh well attitude from most of the team, failure to move Bo’s .300 OBP from the two hole the entire season basically If Charlie is doing exactly what I’m saying and it’s not working then it’s still time to move on because that means they don’t respect his authority.
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Yup he really comes across as trying to be one of the guys and not the boss. Which is probably exactly what he was hired to do.
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The Underperformance Department
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Oh hey guys ya the analytics department said today that nobody should run out ground balls tonight. Our readiness score today was only 67% as a team after returning from the west coast. George you’re DH’ing, Zim you’re in center, Tapia you’re in right, Kirk you’re on the bench. All in an effort to optimize recovery Who cares if we’re 45-43, at least everyone will be fresh in September when we’re three games back of the WC.
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It doesn’t have to be one extreme or another. A great coach is a guy who respects you as a player and a person and is easy to get along with. But when you deserve to get mother f***ed if you will he doesn’t hesitate to do it. I doubt the players truly respect Charlie. The inmates are running the asylum right now. It’s all fine and dandy when you’re winning, but when the going gets tough and there isn’t a true leader to lead things fall apart quickly.
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World Series MVP: Bo Bichette Jr.
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Fire Charlie Montoyo - The thread worked guys!
L54 replied to TwistedLogic's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Bring back Gibby
