If Goins plays fringe above-average D (which I kinda expect he will, because he always has) he doesn't need to BABIP his way to a great slash line to be valuable.
He hasn't proven to be below-average either, which is what you seem to keep implying. Like I said the only data we have is minor league reports, but you're trashing those.
I would think someone as into stats and numbers as you are would understand the value of seeing what Goins can do for the rest of this meaningless year.
Obviously he hasn't proven it. He's only played for a week. All we have to go on is years of minor league reports, which happen to say he has above-average D. But let's disregard those because Hech isn't good at D.
We know this? How? Numbers are always right 100% of the time. And how do you know he hasn't played plus D
"But there’s a lot more to Goins’ game than just hitting. On the other side of the ball, the Round Rock, Texas native has continued to play above-average defense for the Bisons." http://jaysprospects.com/2013/07/31/ryan-goins-buffalo-bisons/
We know this? How? Numbers are always right 100% of the time. And how do you know he hasn't played plus D
"But there’s a lot more to Goins’ game than just hitting. On the other side of the ball, the Round Rock, Texas native has continued to play above-average defense for the Bisons." http://jaysprospects.com/2013/07/31/ryan-goins-buffalo-bisons/
Why do we even let the players play the game? All we need to do is sort by stats and we have the best right there. Just sim their stats based on DIPS and we can determine the WS.
Don't bother arguing with these guys. Their minds are made up, he sucks. They won't listen to anything.
@BTS-read his last paragraph, its what we've been saying all night.
Do you have an opinion, or just here to watch BTS slay some idiots nerd style.
BTW Where's Dinger and Gordie? The clan needs the rest of its people to operate.
Arguing with you is like arguing with a whiny kid who keeps twisting the story and attacking. Your strawmen won't stand here. I've got this quote again to show you something simple. You said below average when referring to Goins
Looks like you've come out of the hive to back your buddy BTS. This isn't an argument about Goins, its about how you guys dismiss players without giving them a chance. The same thing happened with Pillar, Thames, Gomes...
It doesn't even matter because Goins is known as a defense first guy. But I guess you've jumped to the conclusion that his D is bad, against the opinion if scouts, without watching him yourself, because sometimes scouts misread defense. Sound logic
I guess he thinks its better to just give up on him before he even watches him play.
I'm not saying he's gonna be a great player, I'm saying its foolish to write a player off before they even play a game.