Laika

If one thing is clear it's that Ed Rogers is a bumbling idiot

I can't really argue with most of this. I don't know enough to wade into the conversation and most of what you explain sounds reasonable. We're talking about economics, and business, and big money, and strategic decision making - all of these things are areas of ignorance (and non-interest) for me, which is why I defer to others. My personal opinion on the NHL is that product has gone down the tubes recently.

lol ok I feel no compulsion to respond anymore aside from stating matter of factly that this quoted opinion is stupid.

How did they f*** up a hockey deal exactly? If your argument is that they f***ed it up by demoting Ron MacLean and hiring George Strombolopoulosh, then I 100% agree. Egregious.

Kind of are, actually. They are/were one of the more progressive teams out there when it comes to embracing SABERMETRICS! Of course, some of that is budget influenced, like it is with Oakland, Tampa, Pittsburgh. Comparing front office and management regimes across sports is just beyond pointless. Apples and orange soda. Hockey is decades behind baseball in general. Compare Brendan Shanahan to Mark Shapiro one more time, and I might have to hurt you.

Yeah, definitely. 24 years of front office experience including 15 years as a GM or President. Two (meaningless) "executive of the year" awards. He wasn't cheap.

I actually don't. Detroit spent out the ass for a 4 year run, but now they kind of suck and are in a s***** position. St Louis has been good for like two decades, and their recent payrolls have hovered in the 10th-13th overall range. I think there is a sweet spot where a sane payroll a) provides enough funds for a team to compete, and prevents a team from doing anything stupid with its money. Sweet spot payrolls force teams to build long term, from within, through the draft and international markets. They force teams to focus on internal personnel talent (front office, development, analytics, scouting) and not just on expensive player talent. I want to watch Toronto win for the next twenty years, not just for the next two or three. I'll take the payroll right where it is. ... unless some billionaire wants to buy the team and fund a payroll up near the Yankees'. I understand that teams can have high payrolls and build long term. They aren't mutually exclusive things. This is just coming from observation of how teams with different payrolls seem to operate. The practical effect, so to speak. I hate how teams like the Angels and Tigers and Phillies were/are run.

I understand that corporate ownership is annoying. Every fan would rather have a rich, human owner that is passionate about winning. That's not the case though, and regardless, their payroll should end up around $142 USD this year with the current team, which will be in the upper third. It could be a lot worse. And even it was a lot better, I'm guessing it wouldn't appease the fanbase. Payroll bitching is f***ing tired, man. I don't think Rogers is stupid. If spending $200M USD on payroll would increase their profits, then I'm guessing they would do it. I don't think my 73 in Business Admin 101 gives me any standing to say otherwise, so I'll default to the paid guys in suits within the massive corporation.

Well now we've descended into the "Rogers is cheap" cesspool. The budget is the budget. The people running the baseball team are given it - they don't set it. Unless you think public statements about the budget and the exchange rate and all of that jazz have been a smokescreen, I see no reason to expect them to add any type of significant payroll for 2016.

Money isn't an issue?

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I know Donaldson is big into collecting baseball cards and memorabilia. These guys probably have something to do with that.

infinite day DL

He was so old for Lansing. Kind of a shame that they didn't find a way to promote him to Dunedin or New Hampshire at some point.

It's possible that every name traded would have made the list somewhere Cordero Tirado Wells Brentz LaBourt Hoffman Castro Tinoco Rasmussen (Boyd and Norris wouldn't be eligible)

You can really see the hit to the system here. These guys are basically all either extremely uninspiring (Girodo, Dawson), plain old bad (Fields, Nay), or super immature (Chavez, Meza). I will admit that I gave Bergen, Chavez, and Obeso essentially no thought when doing my list. It's good that we didn't dig any deeper. ew yuck gross

Said the aging man

"Clay Davenport has translations for the Japanese leagues in 2014, and his MLB equivalent numbers for Maeda are a little depressing: a 4.09 ERA with a 5.5 K/9 and 2.5 BB/9. That would make him more like a younger Yovani Gallardo, who the crowd says will get $56 million over four years. Maeda is not the player that Tanaka was. Going into his posting, Tanaka’s league-indexed strikeout minus walk rate was 75% better than the one Maeda just showed over the last three years. Tanaka’s signature pitch, the splitter, is better than Maeda’s slider, and he has more velocity, and he showed a better walk rate. The contract should reflect those facts. It’s guesswork any way you slice it, and it’s fair to wonder what Maeda himself is expecting. Masahiro Tanaka got so much more than the numbers we are talking about here (seven years, $155 million). But if his new American team gives Maeda any more than six years and $85 million, they’ll be paying only for his upside with no reflection of the risk he represents. A better contract would pay him like a Porcello or Gallardo and hope for a Zimmermann." http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-much-should-teams-spend-on-kenta-maeda/

Goins has certainly grown up a lot since back when he was a young Latino with hair http://332b71db85586c638269-7b3e649a230e2ba2cff912d8af17e0b5.r41.cf1.rackcdn.com/03sou37.jpg

I don't really like the idea of locking up significant long-term funds in this jap arm when there are two incumbent Dominican bombers that need extensions...

Spanky log off

The DDL is very diverse. To my knowledge, we already have at least one of each of these groups: gay, french, old, brown, asian, newf, wop, gineger, drunk, muslim, handy. It helps that Spanky is an old, ginger, handy, drunk newfie.

On merit alone I see no reason to pick GD. But in the spirit of affirmative action, he might have to make the shortlist.

Once he picks a co-manager we can assemble the Darrel Triumvirate Tribunal and conduct a thorough review on Balco Pharm Team's internal policies as they pertain to this issue. If we are not satisfied with Balco Pharm Team's internal policy direction, we reserve the right to issue an indefinite lay-off of Northof49, subject to discretionary withdrawal every 6 months.