GDT: 1/3 Toronto Blue Jays @ Los Angeles Dodgers(10:10 ET)

[glory]

Springer is a guaranteed DP at this point.

[JFD]

Just totally washed

[BlueBaller]

It's shocking to me that a guy who batted .230 in the NL is getting shat upon by the AL Beast.

[Captain_Obvious]

Amazing swings by fatty Guerrero Jr.

[Omar]

Springer challenging Vladdy for the GIDP crown.

[BigCecil]

KK and Belt for the most part have been full value this season. Props on those short term deals.

 

Aging Springer el blows lately. 3/75 left on that deal.

[EdwinsParrot]

springer is so bad right now

[Blue Jays Lurker 2023]

Barfsho = Negative 19.9

 

Base-Out Runs Added

Given the bases occupied/out situation, how many runs did the batter

or baserunner add in the resulting play.

Compared to average, so 0 is average, and above 0 is better than average

[Jonn]

Apparently people want Springer in more of an RBI spot but he hits into a double play every time in that situation lol

[metafour]

What a savvy trade good ol' Ross pulled off for Varsho.

 

I mean, the guy is not old and provided massive value the past two full seasons while running a 99 and 106 wRC+. He was actually a fairly safe player because he provides so much defensive and baseunning value and wasn't dependent on hitting (this is still true as he is still a positive WAR player). Who or what could have predicted that his wRC+ would collapse by 30+ points? He is still hitting the ball hard (Max EV) but his barrel rate has collapsed. He is just completely lost at the plate. Don't BS me and pretend like you "knew" he'd somehow turn into one of the worst hitters in the league at age 27.

 

s*** happens. What was your take on the Berrios trade last year? You loved it right?

[gruber92]

Never according to everyone here...look at dat WAR

 

Some here are too worried about Varsho losing his value if he doesn't play much. As if having to establish a s***** hitters value should supersede team wins.

[Jays24]

You are being too generous to say his war is 1.9. I'd prefer FWAR more than BWAR in terms of batters, and Varsho's fwar is 0.7.

 

Dude has been a f***ing scrub so far. If he were playing CF, at least you could stomach his empty at bats but getting that from LF is a huge reason why our offense sucks.

[jaysguy44]

Eh, there we go

[saskjayfan]

He has actually been at Kiermaier's level when playing CF. Let's not be rash over a month of complete sucking offensively.

 

He's no where near Keirmaier's level. Keirmaier has a cannon for an arm. He's number 1 in outfielder jump. Varsho is 22nd. Keirmaier's ability to make the difficult catch leaping diving running into the wall is extremely high. Varsho is decent fielder, no question, but I don't think he's elite. Keirmaier is in different class for sure.

[Omar]

Grove is useless without the sticky stuff.

[Daniel Labude]

Some here are too worried about Varsho losing his value if he doesn't play much. As if having to establish a s***** hitters value should supersede team wins.

 

Its almost to the Manoah level from earlier in the season where they should be able to fix or improve his hitting with a few weeks off, but his defense makes it so the team just sticks with him. He should just guess high fastball every pitch until he starts hitting them. Good bet he would get more hits

[Captain_Obvious]

He's no where near Keirmaier's level. Keirmaier has a cannon for an arm. He's number 1 in outfielder jump. Varsho is 22nd. Keirmaier's ability to make the difficult catch leaping diving running into the wall is extremely high. Varsho is decent fielder, no question, but I don't think he's elite. Keirmaier is in different class for sure.

 

OOA, DRS, and UZR all say he has been at least as good as Kiermaier in CF.

[Jays24]

He's no where near Keirmaier's level. Keirmaier has a cannon for an arm. He's number 1 in outfielder jump. Varsho is 22nd. Keirmaier's ability to make the difficult catch leaping diving running into the wall is extremely high. Varsho is decent fielder, no question, but I don't think he's elite. Keirmaier is in different class for sure.

 

Cant believe anyone would compare the two. KK could be the best OF defender of this generation (top 5 at worst). Varsho while good is nowhere near that...

[Daniel Labude]

Grove is useless without the sticky stuff.

 

That does seem interesting

[Daniel Labude]

OOA, DRS, and UZR all say he has been at least as good as Kiermaier in CF.

 

That is where he is playing next season

[hanton]

Grove is useless without the sticky stuff.

 

to various extents they're all cheating

[Jonn]

OOA, DRS, and UZR all say he has been at least as good as Kiermaier in CF.

 

But Varsho is suppose to be the bat of the 2. And Kiermaier is sporting 111 wRC+ to Varsho's 73. That's an absurd difference.

[BigCecil]

He's no where near Keirmaier's level. Keirmaier has a cannon for an arm. He's number 1 in outfielder jump. Varsho is 22nd. Keirmaier's ability to make the difficult catch leaping diving running into the wall is extremely high. Varsho is decent fielder, no question, but I don't think he's elite. Keirmaier is in different class for sure.

 

Fair. I think Varsho is border line elite, but he isn't KK. Varsho jumps are good but KK's 100th percentile. It doesnt get better. Varsho arm strength is only 37th percentile. KK still has 91st percentile sprint speed which is mind boggling.

[Daniel Labude]

[Captain_Obvious]

But Varsho is suppose to be the bat of the 2. And Kiermaier is sporting 111 wRC+ to Varsho's 73. That's an absurd difference.

 

No argument the bat needs to get better.

[Jays24]

That is where he is playing next season

 

We better be re-signing KK. He has been one of the few brightspots on this team.

 

f*** Varsho until he can prove he can hit properly. We are win now mode, not rebuilding anymore.

[gruber92]

I mean, the guy is not old and provided massive value the past two full seasons while running a 99 and 106 wRC+. He was actually a fairly safe player because he provides so much defensive and baseunning value and wasn't dependent on hitting (this is still true as he is still a positive WAR player). Who or what could have predicted that his wRC+ would collapse by 30+ points? He is still hitting the ball hard (Max EV) but his barrel rate has collapsed. He is just completely lost at the plate. Don't BS me and pretend like you "knew" he'd somehow at turn into one of the worst hitters in the league at age 27.

 

s*** happens. What was your take on the Berrios trade last year? You loved it right?

 

I still think Varsho cost too much. I like the type of player he is but he just doesn't possess MLB standard offensive fundamentals which has been obvious. If you think trading Gurriel in a contract year and your number one prospect is worth getting a JBJ clone, then whatever. I'd actually prefer JBJ at 26 years old than Varsho by a country mile.

[Blue Jays Lurker 2023]

Trasho = Negative 12.1

 

Adjusted Batting Runs

A set of formulas developed by Gary Gillette, Pete Palmer and others

that estimates a player’s total contributions

to a team’s runs total via linear weights.

0.0 is an avg performance, <0 is worse than avg and >0 is better than avg

[Jonn]

 

The top comment on that is we traded our #1 prospect and Gurriel for Bradley Zimmer. And honestly that's kinda been the case lol.

[BigCecil]

The top comment on that is we traded our #1 prospect and Gurriel for Bradley Zimmer. And honestly that's kinda been the case lol.

 

That was me lol. Obviously being facetious on twitter, but Im getting kinda fed up.