Robbie Ray Named AL Cy Young Award Winner

[THANOS]

The more ideal scenario is the Jays sign one of these (or Ray) and acquire a cost controlled SP by trade. Jays are talking to Miami according to reports.

 

That leaves FA dollars for arm barn upgrades and Javy Baez.

 

I would do a trade for a SP as long as we keep Moreno and to a lesser extent Martinez & Pearson.

 

I'm fine with dangling Groshans, Kirk & Gurriel as bait, but don't want to empty the pool of our best sharks, so to speak, if we can avoid it.

 

Question is, would Gurriel, Kirk & Groshans + get you Castillo, or would he cost some of the above names I'm hoping we don't part with.

[G-Snarls]

Yep I would 100% overpay for Mad Max and if we get burned finally by father time, so be it, but would sleep sound knowing our process was perfect!

 

Scherzer

Ryu

Berrios

Manoah

 

?Pearson/?Whoever

 

LOVE IT

Edited November 19, 2021 by G-Snarls

[Jimcanuck]

Scherzer

Ryu

Berrios

Manoah/Pearson

 

Whoever

 

LOVE IT

 

Trade Kirk and Groshans for the whoever. Now we're talking.

[connorp]

Scherzer

Ryu

Berrios

Manoah/Pearson

 

Whoever

 

LOVE IT

 

Manoah deserves his own line

[Jimcanuck]

I would do a trade for a SP as long as we keep Moreno and to a lesser extent Martinez & Pearson.

 

I'm fine with dangling Groshans, Kirk & Gurriel as bait, but don't want to empty the pool of our best sharks, so to speak, if we can avoid it.

 

Question is, would Gurriel, Kirk & Groshans + get you Castillo, or would he cost some of the above names I'm hoping we don't part with.

 

Seems more than enough for Castillo. The Reds just handed the catcher job to Stephenson, not sure they want Kirk.

[G-Snarls]

Manoah deserves his own line

 

Yes he probably does. Seems likely to have a full time rotation spot next year.

 

Pearson still has a shot or could evolve to be a late inning RP over the next 1-2 years.

[connorp]

Yes he probably does. Seems likely to have a full time rotation spot next year.

 

Pearson still has a shot or could evolve to be a late inning RP over the next 1-2 years.

 

Yeah Pearson definitely deserves to be on a slash mark line with others..at best

[Spanky99]

Would anyone be opposed to 1 year deals with Rodon and Hill... very risky, but high reward?

[connorp]

Would anyone be opposed to 1 year deals with Rodon and Hill... very risky, but high reward?

 

How high of an award do you think a 42yo is going to give? Rodon can prob do ok for himself this off-season. Not big bucks but ok

[Spanky99]

How high of an award do you think a 42yo is going to give? Rodon can prob do ok for himself this off-season. Not big bucks but ok

 

So opposed to it?

[Eat My Shatkins]

Would anyone be opposed to 1 year deals with Rodon and Hill... very risky, but high reward?

 

I'd 100% be OK with 1 year deals for either guy.

 

Especially Rodon. He's a 5 WAR SP when healthy and still just 28 years old.

[connorp]

So opposed to it?

 

I don’t think (any way in hell) Rodon signs a 1 year deal- so I can’t say I’m opposed to something that won’t happen.

[connorp]

As for Hill, not a bad backend SP but wouldn’t classify him as high-reward. Wouldn’t mind the signing as depth

[Spanky99]

I don’t think (any way in hell) Rodon signs a 1 year deal- so I can’t say I’m opposed to something that won’t happen.

 

Most pundits think he only gets a year, that's why I brought him up.

[connorp]

Most pundits think he only gets a year, that's why I brought him up.

 

Really? I’m surprised

[Spanky99]

As for Hill, not a bad backend SP but wouldn’t classify him as high-reward. Wouldn’t mind the signing as depth

 

Hill would be the 5th starter, man. lol... 2 Wins out of him or more in the back of the rotation is a good get. Jay's should be signing guys like him as depth after whom they get as the top option.

[connorp]

Hill would be the 5th starter, man. lol... 2 Wins out of him or more in the back of the rotation is a good get. Jay's should be signing guys like him as depth after whom they get as the top option.

 

Listen, don’t make it sound like I’m the dumbass calling Rich Hill a “high risk, high reward” signing lol

[Spanky99]

Really? I’m surprised

 

18 on the list, fellas on MLBN think the same because of history...

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/top-50-mlb-free-agent-rankings.html

[Spanky99]

Listen, don’t make it sound like I’m the dumbass calling Rich Hill a “high risk, high reward” signing lol

 

But you are a dumbass.

[Spanky99]

I'd 100% be OK with 1 year deals for either guy.

 

Especially Rodon. He's a 5 WAR SP when healthy and still just 28 years old.

 

Same.

[connorp]

18 on the list, fellas on MLBN think the same because of history...

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/top-50-mlb-free-agent-rankings.html

 

Hmm.. yeah seems interesting. I googled a couple and saw first two predictions at 5/75 and 5/95. At 5/75, you’d almost think to sign a 1yr deal with the talent. So maybe

[Jimcanuck]

With Ryu needing to be babied and Manoah workload needing to be managed (I think), Rodon or Hill might not be wise. Wacha the more reliable, can eat innings, and his numbers are not bad actually.

[Sammy225]

Doesn't matter who we get for the back end of the rotation you know old Pete is going to turn him to gold. That's what he does lol

[Ehjays]

Doesn't matter who we get for the back end of the rotation you know old Pete is going to turn him to gold. That's what he does lol

 

Pete is very good at turning careers around...........but at the same time this FO has to learn some guys are just wayyy beyond repair (Tanner Roark) not only does it give us a s*** starter every 5 days but it taxes out the bullpen. Remember our manager suffers most in managing his arms.

[connorp]

Pete is very good at turning careers around...........but at the same time this FO has to learn some guys are just wayyy beyond repair (Tanner Roark) not only does it give us a s*** starter every 5 days but it taxes out the bullpen. Remember our manager suffers most in managing his arms.

 

Yeah let’s not assume anyone has super powers. We got Stripling to fix before any powers are assumed

[Brownie19]

Would anyone be opposed to 1 year deals with Rodon and Hill... very risky, but high reward?

 

How was Hill after the spider tack crackdown? I assumed that was one of the reasons he was able to turn his career around in the first place. Dick Mountain is a great guy, but I'm not sure he has much left.

[Spanky99]

How was Hill after the spider tack crackdown? I assumed that was one of the reasons he was able to turn his career around in the first place. Dick Mountain is a great guy, but I'm not sure he has much left.

 

Not sure, never really delved into it. I was just looking at guys that would take one year, maybe Duffy or Pineda? Just spitballing...