Card Gate

[connorp]

Wrong. If you have something of value that doesn't belong to you, its theft. Doesn't matter how you acquired it.

 

It’s not a diamond watch Jim.

[glory]

 

Montoyo definitely gets pegged by his wife at night

 

Wouldn’t surprise me if Montoyo apologized to Cash first.

[The Cats Ass]

Wouldn’t surprise me if Montoyo apologized to Cash first.

 

He 100% did.

 

"Sorry there's a video circulating of Kiermaier stealing our card, it should have never happened. I'm going to let Kirk know he has to be more careful in the future. And as a sign of good faith I'll give you a copy of all our other cards just so there's no hard feelings."

[Krylian]

He 100% did.

 

"Sorry there's a video circulating of Kiermaier stealing our card, it should have never happened. I'm going to let Kirk know he has to be more careful in the future. And as a sign of good faith I'll give you a copy of all our other cards just so there's no hard feelings."

 

As long as everyone is having fun, all is good.

[Deadpool]

It’s not a diamond watch Jim.

 

You're right, it's way more valuable. Insider information that could legitimately have value in the millions.

 

If that information gives the Rays an edge, and that edge gets them advantages in the playoffs that get them farther than they otherwise would, how much is that worth to the franchise, and to the individual players both now and for future earnings?

[John_Havok]

You're right, it's way more valuable. Insider information that could legitimately have value in the millions.

 

If that information gives the Rays an edge, and that edge gets them advantages in the playoffs that get them farther than they otherwise would, how much is that worth to the franchise, and to the individual players both now and for future earnings?

 

To many franchises... alot of money. To the Rays? Like... 20 bucks.

[connorp]

You're right, it's way more valuable. Insider information that could legitimately have value in the millions.

 

If that information gives the Rays an edge, and that edge gets them advantages in the playoffs that get them farther than they otherwise would, how much is that worth to the franchise, and to the individual players both now and for future earnings?

 

You can do mental gymnastics, sure. I actually don’t disagree with you even. But still…

 

Say a guy prepares some really great notes/study guide to pass the bar exam but he loses them. Some other guy taking it finds them. The guy that lost them gets all stressed out over it and ends up failing when he otherwise would’ve passed. The guy that found them wasn’t going to pass but did because of the notes. The guy that lost them ends up spiraling downwards after failing and ends up addicted to meth and broke. The guy that passes wouldn’t have otherwise and ends up being a sleazy personal injury attorney that makes millions and marries a super hot chick and they have a kid that ends up being a mlb baseball player.

 

Years later, someone hears about the notes incident and decides to report it to the local police. Do you think they would open a criminal investigation?

 

As opposed to: someone finds a diamond watch and decides to keep it instead of reporting it. Years later, they’re at a restaurant and the original owner notices it and calls the police. What do you think is going to happen to the person with the watch?

[glory]

He 100% did.

 

"Sorry there's a video circulating of Kiermaier stealing our card, it should have never happened. I'm going to let Kirk know he has to be more careful in the future. And as a sign of good faith I'll give you a copy of all our other cards just so there's no hard feelings."

 

That's exactly how it played out. I refuse to believe Montoyo does anything other than crumble the moment someone confronts him.

[wilko]

I think the issue is...they refuse to give it back

 

Finders keepers!

[Jimcanuck]

You can do mental gymnastics, sure. I actually don’t disagree with you even. But still…

 

Say a guy prepares some really great notes/study guide to pass the bar exam but he loses them. Some other guy taking it finds them. The guy that lost them gets all stressed out over it and ends up failing when he otherwise would’ve passed. The guy that found them wasn’t going to pass but did because of the notes. The guy that lost them ends up spiraling downwards after failing and ends up addicted to meth and broke. The guy that passes wouldn’t have otherwise and ends up being a sleazy personal injury attorney that makes millions and marries a super hot chick and they have a kid that ends up being a mlb baseball player.

 

Years later, someone hears about the notes incident and decides to report it to the local police. Do you think they would open a criminal investigation?

 

As opposed to: someone finds a diamond watch and decides to keep it instead of reporting it. Years later, they’re at a restaurant and the original owner notices it and calls the police. What do you think is going to happen to the person with the watch?

 

You are mixing up principle with quantum.

[Governator]

Sometimes I miss Gibby

[connorp]

You are mixing up principle with quantum.

 

Which is the scouting report card?

[Laika]

Theft by finding occurs when someone chances upon an object which seems abandoned and takes possession of the object but fails to take steps to establish whether the object is genuinely abandoned and not merely lost or unattended.[1] In some jurisdictions the crime is called "larceny by finding" or "stealing by finding".[2][3]

 

If the owner has renounced all property rights in the object, then the property is abandoned.[1] Since theft is the unlawful taking of another person's property, an essential element of the actus reus of theft is absent.[2]

 

The finder of lost property acquires a possessory right by taking physical control of the property, but does not necessarily have ownership of the property. The finder must take reasonable steps to locate the owner.[1] If the finder shows that reasonable steps to find the owner have been taken then the finder may establish that the required mens rea for theft, the intention to deprive the owner permanently, is absent.[2]

[connorp]

Theft by finding occurs when someone chances upon an object which seems abandoned and takes possession of the object but fails to take steps to establish whether the object is genuinely abandoned and not merely lost or unattended.[1] In some jurisdictions the crime is called "larceny by finding" or "stealing by finding".[2][3]

 

If the owner has renounced all property rights in the object, then the property is abandoned.[1] Since theft is the unlawful taking of another person's property, an essential element of the actus reus of theft is absent.[2]

 

The finder of lost property acquires a possessory right by taking physical control of the property, but does not necessarily have ownership of the property. The finder must take reasonable steps to locate the owner.[1] If the finder shows that reasonable steps to find the owner have been taken then the finder may establish that the required mens rea for theft, the intention to deprive the owner permanently, is absent.[2]

 

I actually don’t think there’s any blanket standard like that. Depends on the state. Unless you mean Canadian law. Pretty sure some states you’re required to turn in an item of quantitative value

[Laika]

I actually don’t think there’s any blanket standard like that. Depends on the state. Unless you mean Canadian law. Pretty sure some states you’re required to turn in an item of quantitative value

 

These are American references. It would vary state to state but I don't think any states just have a basic "finders keepers" principle as the law.

 

The cases are probably interesting. The way it works with stuff like this is that you have your general principle and then exceptions. E.g.:

 

- Trash put to the curb is deemed abandoned

- Chattels you leave in a house when you sell it or move out are deemed abandoned

[John_Havok]

These are American references. It would vary state to state but I don't think any states just have a basic "finders keepers" principle as the law.

 

The cases are probably interesting. The way it works with stuff like this is that you have your general principle and then exceptions. E.g.:

 

- Trash put to the curb is deemed abandoned

- Chattels you leave in a house when you sell it or move out are deemed abandoned

 

Today I learned what a chattel was. Thank you.

[TheHurl]

Rays just compared it to their pitch sequence notes and in the off season they will tell Kirk what he isn't following from his notes.

[Omar]

He took it.

 

He lied about not knowing what it was.

 

He handed it off to someone else in his dugout to conceal it.

 

He lied after the fact about it.

 

He hasn't given it back.

 

He should get beaned at some point in the future.

[Deadpool]

Sometimes I miss Gibby

 

Only sometimes?

[John_Havok]

Only sometimes?

 

If MLB allowed it, I don't think Gibby would even wear pants in the dugout. This is the kind of man I want managing the team

[Laika]

He took it.

 

He lied about not knowing what it was.

 

He handed it off to someone else in his dugout to conceal it.

 

He lied after the fact about it.

 

He hasn't given it back.

 

He should get beaned at some point in the future.

 

I actually agree with you. A beaning is warranted here.

[BlueRocky]

Lol, wouldn't be surprised if they send it to other teams. Not like they want to see the Jays in the playoffs.

 

Why not? Tampa has always been our worst matchup. See 2020 for reference

[BTS]

On one hand the developing grumpy boomer in me considers this an obvious risk of sending players out with cue cards. On the other hand, Kevin Kiermaier is an objectionable douche. Not sure what side to take here.

[John_Havok]

On one hand the developing grumpy boomer in me considers this an obvious risk of sending players out with cue cards. On the other hand, Kevin Kiermaier is an objectionable douche. Not sure what side to take here.

 

Objectively, the way he's been hitting this season it's actually better if the Jays don't hit him and actually pitch to him. That would hurt the Rays more.

[BlueRocky]

He took it.

 

He lied about not knowing what it was.

 

He handed it off to someone else in his dugout to conceal it.

 

He lied after the fact about it.

 

He hasn't given it back.

 

He should get beaned at some point in the future.

 

Well said

[The Cats Ass]

Objectively, the way he's been hitting this season it's actually better if the Jays don't hit him and actually pitch to him. That would hurt the Rays more.

 

If the game today ends up being a blowout in either team's favour I say bean him.

[John_Havok]

If the game today ends up being a blowout in either team's favour I say bean him.

 

I would agree with that. Just go for the thigh, no need to go headhunting.

[Governator]

If we happen to be wrecking them this game, they probably knows what's coming after the 7th

[connorp]

Dish served cold. He’ll get beaned next year. Pitcher will still get tossed immediately still

[John_Havok]

Dish served cold. He’ll get beaned next year. Pitcher will still get tossed immediately still

 

I dont know why they wouldnt just through a breaking ball or something. At least make it look unintentional and it just "slipped". Or throw behind him. Dont be one of those clows who takes 3 pitches to hit a guy with a fastball.