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Cheating is part of the game

 

And Houston was throughouly applauded for it weren't they?

 

Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens....first ballot Hall of Famers.

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Kinda s***** of Kiermaier in general, but I'm of the same opinion regarding this as sign stealing (without technology). Don't like it, encode it better or don't use them. Also, I'm willing to bet a lot of teams already know what's written on them. Somewhere there's a camera pointed at them.

 

In fact, it would be rather smart of a team to "accidentally" drop a decoy...

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Kinda s***** of Kiermaier in general, but I'm of the same opinion regarding this as sign stealing. Don't like it, encode it better or don't use them. Also, I'm willing to bet a lot of teams already know what's written on them. Somewhere there's a camera pointed at them.

 

In fact, it would be rather smart of a team to "accidentally" drop a decoy...

 

I think the issue is...they refuse to give it back

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Kinda s***** of Kiermaier in general, but I'm of the same opinion regarding this as sign stealing (without technology). Don't like it, encode it better or don't use them. Also, I'm willing to bet a lot of teams already know what's written on them. Somewhere there's a camera pointed at them.

 

In fact, it would be rather smart of a team to "accidentally" drop a decoy...

This is not the same dude. IF you have access to a paper with the plans of how you're opponent is going to pitch to you, that is a huge advantage. It is like having access to the answers of a test during an exam.

 

God knows what else was on that sheet.

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This is not the same dude. IF you have access to a paper with the plans of how you're opponent is going to pitch to you, that is a huge advantage. It is like having access to the results of a test during an exam.

 

God knows what else was on that sheet.

 

I didn't say it was the same. I said I have the same opinion of it. The Jays took it out on the field to gain an advantage. The Rays gained the advantage from it instead. As I said, it was pretty s*****, but personally I'm not up in arms about it.

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This is not the same dude. IF you have access to a paper with the plans of how you're opponent is going to pitch to you, that is a huge advantage. It is like having access to the answers of a test during an exam.

 

God knows what else was on that sheet.

 

So they're saying it was Kirk's notes for managing Saucedo

 

Not a big deal in terms of impact

 

Pretty s***** thing to do anyway tho

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Rays are about to go off today with this new insider info.

 

If the Jays are mad now, imagine how they'll be if they get destroyed tonight

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It’ll be fun if we end up getting swept by Tampa and miss the playoffs. This will become a big narrative in the offseason if that happens
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I think the issue is...they refuse to give it back

 

Exactly. I don't have an issue with him picking it up. But when the Jays figured it out and asked for it back, give it back.

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It’ll be fun if we end up getting swept by Tampa and miss the playoffs. This will become a big narrative in the offseason if that happens

 

Ya. Funnnn.

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Isn’t this basically like stealing company secrets from an employee?

 

Pretty sure that’s illegal

 

If the employee dropped it and you picked it up, not really stealing... Until they ask for it back and you say no. Then that's a different story.

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If the employee dropped it and you picked it up, not really stealing... Until they ask for it back and you say no. Then that's a different story.

 

Wrong. If you have something of value that doesn't belong to you, its theft. Doesn't matter how you acquired it.

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Is it stealing? Maybe. Unsportsmanlike? Probably.

 

One thing I do know, the Jays and every team that does this are dumb f***s for printing out such sensitive information.

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It’ll be fun if we end up getting swept by Tampa and miss the playoffs. This will become a big narrative in the offseason if that happens

 

Nothing about this scenario sounds fun at all : (

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And Houston was throughouly applauded for it weren't they?

 

Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens....first ballot Hall of Famers.

This is not even close to using cameras to steal signs or steroids lol

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This is not even close to using cameras to steal signs or steroids lol

 

You said cheating is part of the game.

 

Now if you want to provide a chart that outlines the degrees of cheating then we can talk further and that's fine.

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Montoyo definitely gets pegged by his wife at night

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