TheHurl Site Manager Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 I agree - Jose's was the best, but man....Lawless's strut and confidence (on what was a wall scrapper and his 2nd career HR) was phenomenal and stupid all at once. Lawless's was also in the World Series guys - so it clearly had the dramatics (I wish they showed or said the score in the clip). Also - WHY THE f*** was a guy who hit .080 in the regular season batting in a World Series game? He was one of the fastest white guys in baseball...and Curt Ford the guy that sat in the games against Viola almost never saw a PA against a LHP. Like Boxy said...the data wasn't there back then. You'll never see a guy like Lawless again who sees 350 of his 600 PA's against LHP's, career .225/.276/.278 in those PA's. The pinch runner was seen as more important than a 5th reliever.
Spanky__99 Old-Timey Member Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 He was one of the fastest white guys in baseball...and Curt Ford the guy that sat in the games against Viola almost never saw a PA against a LHP. Like Boxy said...the data wasn't there back then. You'll never see a guy like Lawless again who sees 350 of his 600 PA's against LHP's, career .225/.276/.278 in those PA's. The pinch runner was seen as more important than a 5th reliever. Who was that guy on the Jays that ran like the wind, white guy, Collins?
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Who was that guy on the Jays that ran like the wind, white guy, Collins? Dave Collins? I think he still holds the single season SB record for the Jays...I want to say 60 in '82?
Spanky__99 Old-Timey Member Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Dave Collins? I think he still holds the single season SB record for the Jays...I want to say 60 in '82? Yeah, that's him.
Fiddlehead Verified Member Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Yeah, that one too, lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AIecOjZSdk Joey Bats... lol, love this MOFO! f***ing Umpires, lol. An elite eye man, love prime Jose! This needed more Bats vs O'Day... the skip, etc... lol. The JoeyB compilation was great. He may have been an @$$hole but he was our @$$hole
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 He was one of the fastest white guys in baseball...and Curt Ford the guy that sat in the games against Viola almost never saw a PA against a LHP. Like Boxy said...the data wasn't there back then. You'll never see a guy like Lawless again who sees 350 of his 600 PA's against LHP's, career .225/.276/.278 in those PA's. The pinch runner was seen as more important than a 5th reliever. The man hit .080. What other data were they missing?
JuniorFelix Verified Member Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 There was a backstory to it. He had a grudge against Maholm for hitting him in an earlier contest and also I think he generally hated the Braves (who didn't). Interesting. Did not know that. Thanks. Pretty sure half the teams in the league have a backstory with Carlos at this point as well.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Who was that guy on the Jays that ran like the wind, white guy, Collins? The forgotten player in the McGriff deal with the Yankees. 80 speed, never struck out, stole 60 of 74 for the Jays. Went .308/.366/.444 in a 3 win season with under 500 PA's, negative defender as the Jays played him at 1B and LF (admittedly they had Shaker in Centre). Jays trade him and Griffin for Bill Caudill because the bullpen was s***.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 The man hit .080. What other data were they missing? 2 for 21. Pinch ran 18 times that year. It was essentially a position.
Pinkfloid Verified Member Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Gotta thank the OP for sending me down the YouTube rabbit hole of Bautista revenge vids. From there to the 2015 bat flip game, to the Edwin shot off Ubaldo (still LOL) and the Donaldson dash. Being in person at two of those three games and experiencing the team's run for those two magical seasons will be with me forever. Long live the cathartic bat flip!
Spanky__99 Old-Timey Member Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 The forgotten player in the McGriff deal with the Yankees. 80 speed, never struck out, stole 60 of 74 for the Jays. Went .308/.366/.444 in a 3 win season with under 500 PA's, negative defender as the Jays played him at 1B and LF (admittedly they had Shaker in Centre). Jays trade him and Griffin for Bill Caudill because the bullpen was s***. Damn, what a year he had in '84.
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Yeah the only reason bat flips are being talked about today is because of Bautista. I don't recall much hoopla about it before 2015 other than the occasional triggering of Brian McCann and his types. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44EdELfCTLk
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 I feel like the bat flip on Delgado's 4th homer should have made this list. In the same game, he hit #300 of his career. And man, those are some empty stands. Pretty bad ass
Orgfiller Old-Timey Member Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 I feel like the bat flip on Delgado's 4th homer should have made this list. In the same game, he hit #300 of his career. And man, those are some empty stands. Pretty bad ass Holy f*** Pat Tabler has been around calling Jays' games since at least 2003? Barf
glory Old-Timey Member Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Delgado was such a great hitter. That 2003 team looked so promising, but the pitching was ass.
Orgfiller Old-Timey Member Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 Delgado was such a great hitter. That 2003 team looked so promising, but the pitching was ass. Except for Halladay
Spanky__99 Old-Timey Member Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 I feel like the bat flip on Delgado's 4th homer should have made this list. In the same game, he hit #300 of his career. And man, those are some empty stands. Pretty bad ass Hahaha... was at that game!
polar bear Verified Member Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 The forgotten player in the McGriff deal with the Yankees. 80 speed, never struck out, stole 60 of 74 for the Jays. Went .308/.366/.444 in a 3 win season with under 500 PA's, negative defender as the Jays played him at 1B and LF (admittedly they had Shaker in Centre). Jays trade him and Griffin for Bill Caudill because the bullpen was s***. Great trade,Bill Caudill really helped.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 Great trade,Bill Caudill really helped. At least he brought us Scott Boras (he was Scotty's first client). Hard to believe the 5 year $8.7M deal was one of the biggest at the time for a non free agent. He also got Bobby Cox'd who believed that relievers had to throw 3 pitches. Caudill went from a 100 inning guy in Oakland K'ing almost 1 per inning...to a 70 inning guy who struck out 6 and walked 4.5. Even with those ugly numbers he managed to FIP beat a 2.99 ERA out the s***. Shoulder problems as well I suppose. Fun memories of those mid 80's teams.
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