Jose Bautista placed on 15-day DL with a left knee sprain. OF Junior Lake recalled

[Spanky99]

It's been pretty well documented that Beltran hates being a DH and prefers playing the OF. He also hates our turf. He's not coming here.

 

Was just going to say this.

[KingKat]

It's been pretty well documented that Beltran hates being a DH and prefers playing the OF. He also hates our turf. He's not coming here.

 

Oh yeah... I remember him being an off-season target one year and reportedly turning the Jays down before even receiving an offer.

[jaysblue]

It's been pretty well documented that Beltran hates being a DH and prefers playing the OF. He also hates our turf. He's not coming here.

 

Yeah signing Beltran would make more sense then Bautista, though the chances of him signing with the Jays are close to zero unfortunately. I'd rather have him as an OF/DH over Bautista based on recent production and cost.

[BigCecil]

Steve Phillips, FWIW, was speculating Jose value has declined so much he is looking at 2/26 with an option year. Less than Beltre deal.

[Jonn]

At this point I'd almost prefer to just take the QO draft pick for Bautista and pursue Beltran instead. There would be no draft pick attached to him since he was traded midseason, and he'll be much cheaper while likely providing similar offense and having no qualms with DHing.

 

He actually doesn't want to DH all the time. He also said he doesn't want to play on the Turf in Toronto. So hes not an option.

[Dr. Dinger]

It's been pretty well documented that Beltran hates being a DH and prefers playing the OF. He also hates our turf. He's not coming here.

 

That was like 3 years ago, he's DHed almost half his games this season.

[admin]

Steve Phillips, FWIW, was speculating Jose value has declined so much he is looking at 2/26 with an option year. Less than Beltre deal.

 

EE walks and Bautista is our DH next year is my guess. I bet Jose still think he's worth $25M per.

[dineke]

Steve Phillips, FWIW, was speculating Jose value has declined so much he is looking at 2/26 with an option year. Less than Beltre deal.

 

Shapiro's a genius for putting that sprinkler in RF.

[Jonn]

That was like 3 years ago, he's DHed almost half his games this season.

 

So 3 years later he will want to play on turf?The Yankees tried to talk him into full time DH. He insisted on playing the field. He was actually hurt earlier in the year and that's why he played DH. He will go somewhere that lets him play OF. Teams will live with him LF or RF to get his bat in the lineup.

[BigCecil]

EE walks and Bautista is our DH next year is my guess. I bet Jose still think he's worth $25M per.

 

Probably, but he will get a rude awakening from the market. His offensive numbers on LD% are still solid and his eye is still elite. But he has become a one dimensional pull hitter who is struggling to hit the FB as well as in the past. He might get a Beltran 3/45 ish deal to end his career, but his days in the OF have to be numbered.

[jaysblue]

Probably, but he will get a rude awakening from the market. His offensive numbers on LD% are still solid and his eye is still elite. But he has become a one dimensional pull hitter who is struggling to hit the FB as well as in the past. He might get a Beltran 3/45 ish deal to end his career, but his days in the OF have to be numbered.

 

Only way is if Bautista gets back and suddenly mashes down the stretch and in the Postseason. I think the max he gets right now is a 3/$45 million deal based mainly because its a weak market and there might be a desperate team thinking he can return to his elite levels if healthy. Otherwise, he'll need to take a 1 year deal around $15 million, and hope for a rebound. Even still, he'll be 37 after 2017 and it'll be tough to get a 3-4 year deal with a high AAV. To be honest, I could see a team going year-to-year with him like the Red Sox have done with Ortiz the past couple of seasons, which likely makes the most sense.

[GreekFatAss]

I wonder if we might be in play for a big run at Reddick. Seems the perfect fit for us both now and in the longer term future.

[jaysfan2014]

Bautista's headed for a 1-year deal with incentives, with the Jays or somebody else. No chance he gets $20M.. and $15M may even be a stretch. He's no longer a premium player and should only be in the Jays plans if he'll play DH or 1B. He can't play OF anymore.. and hurts the team just playing RF or batting in a big spot in the lineup.

 

Lake's stay will be short--Carrera is expected to be back on Tuesday, with Junior likely to be DFAd.

[G-Snarls]

I wonder if we might be in play for a big run at Reddick. Seems the perfect fit for us both now and in the longer term future.

 

Draft pick for Bautista leaving

 

Sign Reddick (who won't cost a draft pick)

 

Extend Encarnacion

 

That would be awesome.

[GreekFatAss]

Draft pick for Bautista leaving

 

Sign Reddick (who won't cost a draft pick)

 

Extend Encarnacion

 

That would be awesome.

 

What do you think Reddick would cost? I have floated the idea of $22 per year for 5 years.

[dineke]

What do you think Reddick would cost? I have floated the idea of $22 per year for 5 years.

 

over 100 million for a platoon player? Just bring back Bautista now that his value is low.

[Dr. Dinger]

What do you think Reddick would cost? I have floated the idea of $22 per year for 5 years.

 

I don't see him getting that much, nor would I give that to him. I'd be good with something like 4 years/$70M, beyond that, I don't see the value.

[Jonn]

Draft pick for Bautista leaving

 

Sign Reddick (who won't cost a draft pick)

 

Extend Encarnacion

 

That would be awesome.

 

That sounds like a really awesome idea. And we have the money to do that so its not unrealistic at all. Building is sold out everynight.

[G-Snarls]

over 100 million for a platoon player? Just bring back Bautista now that his value is low.

 

He's a perennial 2-3 WAR player having a slightly.off year and got traded

 

He bats left vs Upton Jr who hits right

 

He won't be attached to draft pick compensation

 

He's only 29

 

He is a positive defender

 

He's a good fit but won't come cheap. Reasonable maybe but not cheap. He can command 4-5 years in this market.

[G-Snarls]

Honest question: How many fans (hardcore vs casual) still see Jose Bautista as the face of the franchis?

 

I probably did until about 1/3 of the way through this season. Even if he has a good September I still just don't quite see him that way anymore.

[baseballsss]

Question: How many fans (hardcore vs casual) still see Jose Bautista as the face of the franchis?

 

I did until about 1/3 of the way through this season. Even if he has a good September I still just don't quite see him that way anymore.

 

I thought Donaldson took that title away from Bautista last year.

[G-Snarls]

I thought Donaldson took that title away from Bautista last year.

 

Well that's who I see him as now. It's hard to pinpoint exactly when that shift happened. And it migjt be different for different fans. And your best player isn't always the face of the franchise though usually is. And Donaldson has been our best player easily.

 

Donaldson

 

Tulo, Pillar, Martin, Sanchez, Stroman, Osuna

 

Lots of other guys who fans love now. Not like it used to be.

 

I don't think letting Bautista go would the PR blow anymore that it would have been say in 2013 or 2014.

[dineke]

I thought Donaldson took that title away from Bautista last year.

 

Not after Batflip. Bautista didn't become hated until after he opened his mouth in spring training.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Draft pick for Bautista leaving

 

Sign Reddick (who won't cost a draft pick)

 

Extend Encarnacion

 

That would be awesome.

 

This is the ideal scenario.

 

But what about Saunders? I'd like him back, too.

[L54]

This is the ideal scenario.

 

But what about Saunders? I'd like him back, too.

 

Can't have an all white outfield, too slow.

[BigCecil]

Only way is if Bautista gets back and suddenly mashes down the stretch and in the Postseason. I think the max he gets right now is a 3/$45 million deal based mainly because its a weak market and there might be a desperate team thinking he can return to his elite levels if healthy. Otherwise, he'll need to take a 1 year deal around $15 million, and hope for a rebound. Even still, he'll be 37 after 2017 and it'll be tough to get a 3-4 year deal with a high AAV. To be honest, I could see a team going year-to-year with him like the Red Sox have done with Ortiz the past couple of seasons, which likely makes the most sense.

 

Can't really disagree with this. Can you imagine? Going from a alleged 6/150 demand to a year to year at basically what you are making 2016. Wow. Baseball can be cruel. But hey...we should all have such problems. I never imagined Jose might actually TAKE a QO when this season started lol. I really hope he does come back and rake in Sept.

[RealAccountant]

Lol Beltran has snubbed this organization on multiple occasions.

[RealAccountant]

It's Amazing how little loyalty the fans have these days considering how big of a part Bautista had in reviving the franchise

 

You would think people would want him to retire in a Jays uniform. Sports is not just about numbers its also about enjoying a journey.

[jaysblue]

Honest question: How many fans (hardcore vs casual) still see Jose Bautista as the face of the franchis?

 

I probably did until about 1/3 of the way through this season. Even if he has a good September I still just don't quite see him that way anymore.

 

Bautista has been the face of this franchise since 2010 and played a crucial role especially at a time when fan interest with the Jays was near an all-time low with them trading Doc after 2009.

 

Even if he leaves this offseason, he is one of the best players to ever wear a Blue Jays uniform. He's up there with all the greats, and deservingly so.

[RealAccountant]

And don't kid yourselves. Josh Donaldson is going to go for $150 Million plus and it won't be with the Jays