Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Ben Zobrist plays multiple premium positions, while Beltran is a designated hitter who struggles to play a corner outfield spot. I'm not sure why you think those are comparable, when that should intuitively tell you that Beltran's list of potential suitors is much, much shorter. Also, Alford was a Top 50 prospect coming into the season, so I don't know why you suppose Manaea is a better prospect either.
HERPDERP Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Why are teams lining up for a 39 year old? 136 wRC 39 year old Surprised to see he's outperforming JoeyBats
Grant77 Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Ben Zobrist plays multiple premium positions, while Beltran is a designated hitter who struggles to play a corner outfield spot. I'm not sure why you think those are comparable, when that should intuitively tell you that Beltran's list of potential suitors is much, much shorter. Also, Alford was a Top 50 prospect coming into the season, so I don't know why you suppose Manaea is a better prospect either. A win is a win regardless of what position it comes from. A worse hitting 2B isn't inherently more valuable than a better hitting DH. Use what old school narratives you wish, but I'll stick with WAR. Also, Alford's stock has obviously taken a hit this year in the eyes of scouts. Whether that is justified or not, I'll leave for another argument. I was simply proving my point using a respected publication.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Ok let's make a bet. If Beltran gets traded for any prospect that made a Top 50 on a midseason list (MLB.com, BA, BP, Law), I'll make "Grant was right and I was wrong" my signature for a month. If not, you change yours to a sig of my choosing. If the Yankees include other pieces in the deal or he doesn't get traded, bet is off.
Grant77 Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Ok let's make a bet. If Beltran gets traded for any prospect that made a Top 50 on a midseason list (MLB.com, BA, BP, Law), I'll make "Grant was right and I was wrong" my signature for a month. If not, you change yours to a sig of my choosing. If the Yankees include other pieces in the deal or he doesn't get traded, bet is off. Considering Alford was just ranked 86th, that should be the benchmark. I'll agree to the same terms, not a sig of your choosing. If the Yankees include other pieces OR the other team does, the deal is off. If the other guy is junk I'll be reasonable and still give you a win. Could go either way if it happens, I'm not super confident. Deal?
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Alford is ranked 37th on MLB.com. Top 50 is it.
King Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Author Posted July 25, 2016 Considering Alford was just ranked 86th, that should be the benchmark. I'll agree to the same terms, not a sig of your choosing. If the Yankees include other pieces OR the other team does, the deal is off. If the other guy is junk I'll be reasonable and still give you a win. Could go either way if it happens, I'm not super confident. Deal? Lmao why so many rules. Grant just take the bet dude
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Lmao why so many rules. Grant just take the bet dude Because Grant loves to quibble about everything until people get exasperated and give up the point.
Grant77 Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Because Grant loves to quibble about everything until people get exasperated and give up the point. Deal?
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Deal? The deal is a Top 50 prospect on any list. Otherwise you've just proven my point.
Grant77 Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 The deal is a Top 50 prospect on any list. Alford isn't a top 50 prospect on any updated list. He's hitting like Ryan Goins in a slump for the year.
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Thanks, I win. Nice talking to you, Grant.
Grant77 Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Thanks, I win. Nice talking to you, Grant. If you say so. If you have the guts to challenge my original statement then the deal remains on the table. All this tells me is that you think there's a good chance that Beltran is dealt for a low end top 100 prospect, exactly what I said.
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Alford isn't a top 50 prospect on any updated list. He's hitting like Ryan Goins in a slump for the year. He's talking about before the season started. He was widely viewed as a top 50 prospect or very close. He's hitting like Goins because he wasn't healthy.
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