Can Ryan Goins Stick? Pt. II

[closetjaysfan]

Who the f*** said he provides equal or better value than Travis? Stop making s*** up and learn how to read. This thread is stupid and I'm not going through all this s*** again. You guys can go ahead and talk s*** and egg your faces all over again. I'll just sit back and watch, AGAIN. Thank you for the opportunity to revisit this glorious ride.

 

I never said that you did say he was more valuable. What im getting that he is the third wheel right now. Barney has slightly more utility off the bench and Travis is simply better. His value after the 2015 season will never be higher and we should move him now while people like you still think he has all-star potential.

[gruber92]

Gruber is HEATED

 

Funny thing is, I'm actually not.

 

Haven't we done all this already?

[Jimcanuck]

This is a dumb thread

 

Goins is a bottom 25 man guy

 

Goins ~ Barney ~ Casilla

 

Jays aren't going to go dumpster diving for another of these types, nor are they going to trade an asset for an upgrade (presumably with a higher salary)

 

So pick your poison among the 3

 

(incidentally, Casilla has a .429 BABIP in Buffalo)

[BTS]

Funny thing is, I'm actually not.

 

Haven't we done all this already?

 

You mean the time where you argued for 100 pages that he was good, and two years later he's a replacement level talent?

[Jimcanuck]

I never said that you did say he was more valuable. What im getting that he is the third wheel right now. Barney has slightly more utility off the bench and Travis is simply better. His value after the 2015 season will never be higher and we should move him now while people like you still think he has all-star potential.

 

troll post

[closetjaysfan]

You mean the time where you argued for 100 pages that he was good, and two years later he's a replacement level talent?

 

lol that is pretty much dead on.

[Dick_Pole]

I never said that you did say he was more valuable. What im getting that he is the third wheel right now. Barney has slightly more utility off the bench and Travis is simply better. His value after the 2015 season will never be higher and we should move him now while people like you still think he has all-star potential.

 

Selling "high" at any costs is not selling high. Goins, even as a pylon until Travis is healthy has more value to the Jays than the mediocre reliever he would fetch in return. And with Travis and Tulowitzki both at risk of injury, it's good to have as much depth as possible.

[gruber92]

I never said that you did say he was more valuable. What im getting that he is the third wheel right now. Barney has slightly more utility off the bench and Travis is simply better. His value after the 2015 season will never be higher and we should move him now while people like you still think he has all-star potential.

 

Ok bro listen up.. I HAVE NEVER ONCE SAID THAT RYAN GOINS PROVIDES EQUAL OR MORE VALUE THAN DEVON TRAVIS.

 

I have actually always stated the opposite.

 

Ask the rest of the board for confirmation,or better yet, go back and learn how to read.

[burlingtonbandit]

Although Tulo is an excellent defender, he not better than Goins. Their hands and arm strength are comparable, but Goins has a bit more range and his ability to turn a DP is far better than Tulo's.

 

I'll give you that he he has a bit more range but Goins arm strength isn't close to Tulo's lol. Neither is his glove or accuracy.

[Jonzo]

I think Gruber is Mike Wilner.

[BigCecil]

I'll give you that he he has a bit more range but Goins arm strength isn't close to Tulo's lol. Neither is his glove or accuracy.

 

That's fair. Who else throws on the move with as much accuracy as Tulo?

 

I remember seeing Statscast gave Goins credit for being the fastest in MLB at transferring the ball to his hand for throwing.

 

 

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/toronto-blue-jays-ryan-goins-makes-ridiculous-play-david-price-091615

[Boxcar]

You mean the time where you argued for 100 pages that he was good, and two years later he's a replacement level talent?

 

*based on like 2 weeks of BABIP fuelled mayhem.

[King]

I think Gruber is Mike Wilner.

 

That's insulting to Wilner.

[gruber92]

That's fair. Who else throws on the move with as much accuracy as Tulo?

 

I remember seeing Statscast gave Goins credit for being the fastest in MLB at transferring the ball to his hand for throwing.

 

 

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/toronto-blue-jays-ryan-goins-makes-ridiculous-play-david-price-091615

 

*crickets*

[BTS]

*based on like 2 weeks of BABIP fuelled mayhem.

 

wut

[Boxcar]

wut

 

Don't worry, queen of the hive. I am merely pointing out that when Goins first came up, he got crazy BABIP luck and Gruber never let it go. Since he lacks the spine to admit mistakes (or perhaps he doesn't even realize he makes them due to self absorption and/or dumn) he simply doubled down on his position and will never let it go.

 

See, when Goins was getting a bunch of fluke hits for 2 weeks, that's a perfectly valid sample to draw conclusions from. When he's been really bad for almost a month, it's SSS and people are idiots for thinking otherwise.

[GD]

Don't worry, queen of the hive. I am merely pointing out that when Goins first came up, he got crazy BABIP luck and Gruber never let it go. Since he lacks the spine to admit mistakes (or perhaps he doesn't even realize he makes them due to self absorption and/or dumn) he simply doubled down on his position and will never let it go.

 

See, when Goins was getting a bunch of fluke hits for 2 weeks, that's a perfectly valid sample to draw conclusions from. When he's been really bad for almost a month, it's SSS and people are idiots for thinking otherwise.

 

He was hitting atom balls, how was he getting lucky on his BABIP? What don't you get?

[BTS]

atom balls

[Dick_Pole]

You mean the time where you argued for 100 pages that he was good, and two years later he's a replacement level talent?

 

I know that people are toying with Gruber to try and get him to rage, but the title of this thread and its predecessor isn't "Can Ryan Goins be a replacement level player after 2 years?" it's "Can Ryan Goins stick?"

 

The argument back in the day was that Ryan Goins was such a s*** player that he wouldn't see the light of day with the team beyond a cup of coffee....i.e. sub-replacement. Well he's already had 800 plate appearances and based on the team's current depth chart he is a lock for 1,000 PA before he's sent down. He wouldn't have reached that mark without being a serviceable player last year.

[Rusty_Savage]

Funny thing is, I'm actually not.

 

Haven't we done all this already?

 

But what has Goins done to prove you right? The guy is horendous at the plate and his defence hasn't been up to par this year either too boot.

 

 

It's ok to be wrong sometimes

[Jimcanuck]

But what has Goins done to prove you right? The guy is horendous at the plate and his defence hasn't been up to par this year either too boot.

 

 

It's ok to be wrong sometimes

 

LOL 1.5 WAR in 2015

 

Goins sticked. Gruber was right.

[Boxcar]

He was hitting atom balls, how was he getting lucky on his BABIP? What don't you get?

 

uhh all of it? The f*** are you talking about

[Spanky99]

He's contributed -0.5 fWAR this year, and projections have him below replacement level. Exiting his prime years and has thus far accumulated a paltry 0.8 fWAR in 248 career games.

 

Was the hive right, or can Ryan Goins stick? Discuss amongst yourselves.

 

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy???

[GD]

uhh all of it? The f*** are you talking about

 

@King find the atom balls quote

[burlingtonbandit]

That's fair. Who else throws on the move with as much accuracy as Tulo?

 

I remember seeing Statscast gave Goins credit for being the fastest in MLB at transferring the ball to his hand for throwing.

 

 

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/toronto-blue-jays-ryan-goins-makes-ridiculous-play-david-price-091615

 

Yeah thats definitely helpful for double plays (especially as a 2nd baseman) but he still isn't as good a SS as Tulo.

[King]

@King find the atom balls quote

 

Here.

 

I love Kawasaki's approach, i just love the defense Goins brings more. You have to admit that Goins had some serious BABIP bad luck this year.

 

He wasn't hitting the ball well at all, it isn't bad luck when you can't make good contact.

 

You're wrong. He hit a ton of atom balls this year.

 

12.8% LD rate, ~60% GB, 15.4% IFFB

 

"a ton of atoms balls"

[gruber92]

But what has Goins done to prove you right? The guy is horendous at the plate and his defence hasn't been up to par this year either too boot.

 

 

It's ok to be wrong sometimes

 

I'll I have ever said, going back to three years ago, is that Goins can stick on a 25 man roster, that's it. The majority of the board thought that was ludicrous, yet here we are three years later.

[BTS]

I'll I have ever said, going back to three years ago, is that Goins can stick on a 25 man roster, that's it. The majority of the board thought that was ludicrous, yet here we are three years later.

 

I believe you've also called him a league average player and projected that he'll have a 10-year MLB career.

[Atothe]

I believe you've also called him a league average player and projected that he'll have a 10-year MLB career.

 

I distinctly remember the "10 year" post. Now Gruber is saying Goins is better defenGruber than Tulo hahahahaha. Gtfoh Gruber

[gruber92]

I believe you've also called him a league average player and projected that he'll have a 10-year MLB career.

 

Yes, a 10 career doesn't mean he'll start.