Mariners-Rays trade

[Cyborg]

Seems decently fair actually. Powell is a pretty decent prospect.

[jaysfan2014]

Seems decently fair actually. Powell is a pretty decent prospect.

 

Good OBP guy.. something the Mariners BADLY need. Hope he's good in the OF--the Mariners have had issues with OF defense in recent years.

[TheHurl]

Seems decently fair actually. Powell is a pretty decent prospect.

 

Slap hitting guy that probably can't handle CF on a regular basis. Best case scenarios is that he's Ben Revere without the wheels (Boog isn't slow but he's not Revere fast)

[King]

Seems decently fair actually. Powell is a pretty decent prospect.

 

^ Owns Boog Powell in the BBDL. Nothing to see here folks.

[reedjohnsonfan]

This is probably fine for Seattle. They save some money and get rid of two guys they don't like. LoMo never turned out to be the good player most thought he could be, I don't see how this is a fleecing by any means.

 

You guys need to relax on the Rays train. This is a minor trade, not acquiring Josh Donaldson or Troy Tulowitzki ffs lol.

[Abomination]

^ Owns Boog Powell in the BBDL. Nothing to see here folks.

 

You probably should have tried to trade him to JFaS first.

[King]

You probably should have tried to trade him to JFaS first.

 

Wat

[Abomination]

Wat

 

Never mind. Thought you were replying to Hurl's comment.

[King]

Never mind. I'm dumn.

 

Ah, gotchu

[Grant77]

‏@GregJohnsMLB

Mariners-Rays with 6-player trade: Sea sends Brad Miller, LoMo & Farquhar to TB for RH Nathan Karns, LH CJ Riefenhauser and OF Boog Powell.

 

I don't agree with people calling this trade a huge win for the Rays. I don't think Miller is a lot more valuable than Karns, a good SP with 5 years of team control, and Powell has a legit chance to be useful. Morrison was surely going to be non-tendered by Seattle.

 

If anything, this trade looks like a win for both teams to me.

[Boxcar]

lol abom

[Dr. Dinger]

I don't agree with people calling this trade a huge win for the Rays. I don't think Miller is a lot more valuable than Karns, a good SP with 5 years of team control, and Powell has a legit chance to be useful. Morrison was surely going to be non-tendered by Seattle.

 

If anything, this trade looks like a win for both teams to me.

 

I agree with this take. Miller is nothing special by any means. He's a 1-2 WAR player that really shouldn't be at SS full-time. Karns is going to reduce his HR rate significantly at SafeCo and I expect his numbers will look pretty damn nice. I'm not saying Seattle won, but I don't see how anyone could spin this as a landslide victory for the Rays.

[Laika]

Because Brad Miller had a .930 OPS in the minors, with a .400 OBP and awesome peripherals, and UZR thinks he's an average defensive shortstop.

 

People still see him as a sleeping giant who got jerked around stupidly by Seattle. Someone who could be a top 5 offensive SS in the game.

 

Also, Nate Karns is older than Mat Latos.

[BTS]

I wonder if TB ends up non-tendering LoMo. $4M for likely replacement-level play is pretty gross.

[Dr. Dinger]

Someone who could be a top 5 offensive SS in the game.

 

I don't see that at all. He's been a league average bat through 1,200 PAs, and he's actually hit better at Safeco than on the road. I'm not sure why we suddenly care about UZR (probably because it's convenient for the argument), but Miller is at best passable at SS. I trust DRS over UZR, and I trust scouting over both. The Mariners did jerk him around, and they're a terrible organization, but they wouldn't have done so if he had excelled or given them the indication that he was going to be a star.

[Angrioter]

Because Brad Miller had a .930 OPS in the minors, with a .400 OBP and awesome peripherals, and UZR thinks he's an average defensive shortstop.

 

People still see him as a sleeping giant who got jerked around stupidly by Seattle. Someone who could be a top 5 offensive SS in the game.

 

Also, Nate Karns is older than Mat Latos.

 

 

Millah and Nicky Frank is going to be a great DP combo to watch........Maybe in 2 years

[Dr. Dinger]

Millah and Nicky Frank is going to be a great DP combo to watch........Maybe in 2 years

 

They both suck balls.

[Laika]

I'm not sure why we suddenly care about UZR (probably because it's convenient for the argument), but Miller is at best passable at SS. I trust DRS over UZR, and I trust scouting over both.

 

I trust UZR just fine. Certainly more than teh scouts. What the f*** happened to you?

 

League average bats make well above average offensive shortstops. In terms of offensive projections, outside of Correa, Bogaerts, and Tulowitzki, Miller is in a tightly projected group of shortstops with projected wRC+ of a hair over 100.

 

Kang, Baez, Seager, Peralta, Semien, Flores, Miller.

[Cyborg]

I don't see that at all. He's been a league average bat through 1,200 PAs, and he's actually hit better at Safeco than on the road. I'm not sure why we suddenly care about UZR (probably because it's convenient for the argument), but Miller is at best passable at SS. I trust DRS over UZR, and I trust scouting over both. The Mariners did jerk him around, and they're a terrible organization, but they wouldn't have done so if he had excelled or given them the indication that he was going to be a star.

You have that order backwards.

[TheHurl]

Karns is going to reduce his HR rate significantly at SafeCo and I expect his numbers will look pretty damn nice.

 

Karns really struggled pitching in the Trop, but is there even a HR difference between the two parks now?

[Laika]

POLL

 

What is worse for the world?

 

- 9/11 Truthers

- People who hate UZR

[Dr. Dinger]

you have that order backwards.

 

stfu 1-8!

[Grant77]

POLL

 

What is worse for the world?

 

- 9/11 Truthers

- People who hate UZR

 

The latter I suppose, as the former have many logical arguments.

[Dr. Dinger]

I trust UZR just fine. Certainly more than teh scouts. What the f*** happened to you?

 

 

Ok, even assuming we trust UZR: UZR says he's adequate, DRS says he's below average, and scouts say he has no chance to stick. The most optimistic outlook is acceptable at best.

[Laika]

Ok, even assuming we trust UZR: UZR says he's adequate, DRS says he's below average, and scouts say he has no chance to stick. The most optimistic outlook is acceptable at best.

 

Now you're just playing semantics.

 

UZR says he's average.

DRS says he's adequate.

Scouts are dumn.

 

The most optimistic outlook is average defensive big league SS.

[BTS]

I think the Rays will platoon Miller.

 

With who?

[Dr. Dinger]

Now you're just playing semantics.

 

UZR says he's average.

DRS says he's adequate.

Scouts are dumn.

 

The most optimistic outlook is average defensive big league SS.

 

Sux

[Laika]

Sux

 

predictions:

 

2+ WAR

110 wRC+

0+ UZR

Top 5 fantasy SS 2016

Top 8 dynasty SS after 2016

multiple 20 HR seasons before age 30

[TheHurl]

predictions:

 

2+ WAR - Yes

110 wRC+ - No Doubt

0+ UZR - No Clue

Top 5 fantasy SS 2016 - I'll say will be a debate for this.

Top 8 dynasty SS after 2016 - I think there is a Clear top 6 (assuming Machado keeps eligibility) with Tulo the guy with the foot out the door. Miller would be competing with guys that I trust less than him so I'll say why not.

multiple 20 HR seasons before age 30 - He was awfully close to where Smoak was last year in FB distance, a jump like Smoak had in HR/FB isn't going to happen, but a small spike he would flirt with 20 next year...so yes.

[TheHurl]

With who?

 

Daniel Robertson by mid-season?