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Brunt asked all the questions people wanted to hear? Also he and Shi went on to talk about the service time in more detail on the coverage last night on TV, it's how I learned Bryant's grievance is still on file with the MLB, Eloy Jimenez agent has filed a grievance, they expect Vladito to follow suit along with FTJ, if he isn't up at some point next year, interesting stuff that's basically meaningless in consideration with the CBA.

 

Not necessarily meaningless. A CBA does not override the law, including case law.

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Not necessarily meaningless. A CBA does not override the law, including case law.

 

What law says they have to be called up?

 

We all know that they're kept down due to service time. Proving it is another thing. It's a subjective thing. The organization can pick one or two weaknesses (everyone has them) and say they wanted player X to work on that. Done.

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What law says they have to be called up?

 

We all know that they're kept down due to service time. Proving it is another thing. It's a subjective thing. The organization can pick one or two weaknesses (everyone has them) and say they wanted player X to work on that. Done.

 

No such law saying they have to be called up, but there are laws that may apply related to suppression of earning potential. It's actually not hard to show this in some of these cases. If the club waits til 3rd week of April to call up a player, after said player demolished AAA the previous season, any reasonable observer would..... etc

 

Remember, civil actions are not subject to the innocent until proven guilty threshold. Balance of probabilities.....

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No such law saying they have to be called up, but there are laws that may apply related to suppression of earning potential. It's actually not hard to show this in some of these cases. If the club waits til 3rd week of April to call up a player, after said player demolished AAA the previous season, any reasonable observer would..... etc

 

Remember, civil actions are not subject to the innocent until proven guilty threshold. Balance of probabilities.....

 

lol... that gets lapped up in a team narrative.

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Will Merryweather make anyone's top 30 list?

 

Given he's nearly a lock to make a ML appearance and is projected to be decent, he definitely should easily make the top half of the list.

 

Will he? Who knows. Evaluators don't like em old.

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Merryweather should be on every top 30 Jays prospects list. There’s really no reason why he shouldn’t be.
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Zeuch and Hiraldo seem a little low. Otherwise, one of the better Jays prospect lists I’ve seen.

It's not terrible. SRF is way too low IMO. Yes his walk rate was too high in the MLB but his numbers look good under the hood.

 

I don't know why Jonathan Davis is on this list. I would take most of the prospects ranked after him in a heartbeat.

I don't love Billy McKinney but think he's too low.

Pannone was pretty bad in his debut, unless you like soft tossing lefties. Maybe he becomes a decent LOOGY or something.

 

I would have tried to rank Yennsy Diaz, Adam Kloffenstein, Maximo Castillo and Riley Adams. Patrick Murphy had a bit of helium as well. I guess you can't rank everyone.

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It's not terrible. SRF is way too low IMO. Yes his walk rate was too high in the MLB but his numbers look good under the hood.

 

I don't know why Jonathan Davis is on this list. I would take most of the prospects ranked after him in a heartbeat.

I don't love Billy McKinney but think he's too low.

Pannone was pretty bad in his debut, unless you like soft tossing lefties. Maybe he becomes a decent LOOGY or something.

 

I would have tried to rank Yennsy Diaz, Adam Kloffenstein, Maximo Castillo and Riley Adams. Patrick Murphy had a bit of helium as well. I guess you can't rank everyone.

 

It's not terrible. SRF is way too low IMO. Yes his walk rate was too high in the MLB but his numbers look good under the hood.

 

I don't know why Jonathan Davis is on this list. I would take most of the prospects ranked after him in a heartbeat.

I don't love Billy McKinney but think he's too low.

Pannone was pretty bad in his debut, unless you like soft tossing lefties. Maybe he becomes a decent LOOGY or something.

 

I would have tried to rank Yennsy Diaz, Adam Kloffenstein, Maximo Castillo and Riley Adams. Patrick Murphy had a bit of helium as well. I guess you can't rank everyone.

 

Personally:

 

1. Vladimir Guerrero Jr.

2. Bo Bichette

3. Nate Pearson

4. Danny Jansen

5. Eric Pardinho

6. Kevin Smith

7. Sean Reid-Foley

8. TJ Zeuch

9. Anthony Alford

10. Jordan Groshans

11. Cavan Biggio

12. Miguel Hiraldo

13. Orelvis Martinez

14. Billy McKinney

15. David Paulinho

16. Hector Perez

17. Adam Kloffenstein

18. Reese McGuire

19. Rowdy Tellez

20. Julian Merryweather

21. Jordan Romano

22. Thomas Pannone

23. Samad Taylor

24. Leonardo Jimenez

25. Santiago Espinal

26. Travis Bergen

27. Yennsy Diaz

28. Forrest Wall

29. Patrick Murphy

30. Ryan Noda

 

1-10 is mostly set. The bottom third is really hard to rank. You could replace some of those players with Maximo Castillo, Joey Murray, Logan Warmoth, Riley Adams, Harold Ramirez, Gabriel Moreno, Brock Lundquist, Alejandro Kirk, Otto Lopez, Cal Stevenson etc. It's a good problem to have when you have too many prospects that could rank in the Top 30.

 

Edit: Also Chavez Young as well. Our system is loaded.

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Blue jays now have what... a farm that ranks between top 6-10? And maybe closer to #5 than to #10?

 

We have to be Top 5 imo. Padres, Rays, White Sox, and Braves would be the only ones I would really put in front.

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Blue jays now have what... a farm that ranks between top 6-10? And maybe closer to #5 than to #10?

 

Most sources (including our own front office) have us top 5 minimum.

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We have to be Top 5 imo. Padres, Rays, White Sox, and Braves would be the only ones I would really put in front.

 

We could only have Vladdy and no one else and I wouldn't put the Braves ahead of us. They have all arms. I don't mind Riley (but Brett Lawrie'esk) but Pache is trash with the bat, Waters is too aggressive with everything he does. Only thing I say about the Braves is that they can turn their Pen troubles around right now by moving a few guys to the pen and promote them right away.

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Pearson's start in the Fall League today: 1.0IP 5H 7ER 4BB 3K 52 pitched 30 strikes

 

The kid's gon' learn t'day.

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Merryweather should be on every top 30 Jays prospects list. There’s really no reason why he shouldn’t be.

 

Realistically, projects as an AAAA reliever.

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Blue Jays Top 30 from Prospects Live/Jason Woodell:

 

https://www.prospectslive.com/lists/2018/10/13/toronto-blue-jays-top-30-prospects

 

Corresponding podcast:

 

https://www.spreaker.com/user/prospectslive/pl-jays-podcast-10-14-18-11-04-am?utm_medium=widget&utm_source=user%3A10787954&utm_term=episode_title

 

Spoiler alert: they looooove this system. Very high on Nate Pearson's upside.

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Baseball America Podcast today, talking about Vlad in the AFL:

 

"Imagine if you took Serena Williams down to the local YMCA to play a random."

"There's only one pitcher (in the AFL) who can even challenge him (Forrest Whitley). Everyone else is BP for him."

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