General Jays Discussion 2015

[ElNik2013]

Also, if you think this lineup won't be as good in 2016 because of declines from Bautista, EE and Martin, then they will still be very good, but with a pitching staff bolstered by a FA SP or 2 and another year of development for Norris, Boyd, Sanchez and Hoffman at AA with arguably Osuna and Castro back as a SP in AA or AAA serving as depth.

 

 

Anyway, we'll see what happens.

[GD]

Why is Jon Niese perpetually available lol. Asking price is probably Pompey, seems like a good fit but Niese's SwStr has dipped below 6% and he's had arm injuries.

 

How long is Buchholz controlled for?

[puphood]

You guys drive me crazy. No LFer a under performing RFer and you guys want to make the only performing fielder a fourth. Been watching Pillar since last Aug. Sept. and he has been the only consistent defensive fielder of note the Jays have. Every one talks about Saunders numbers pre injury what are his numbers post injury? I know it is a stupid question but it points out that you have to question what his performance will be on his return to the field not his past numbers. You have to look at the severity of his injury and a torn meniscus is no small deal as his time off proves and especially if you make your living running in the field. Pillar is getting comfortable in his position on the team and I think he has finely settle in nicely in CF. He has had to be the brides maid to Pompey and Saunders way to long. Saunders should have to prove he can take over in field and not given the field on past stats. If Pompey is showing good defence in AAA they should consider bringing him back as a forth....This team is going no were with out two solid starters now and all indications are we may have one.

[SAAviour]

Why is Jon Niese perpetually available lol. Asking price is probably Pompey, seems like a good fit but Niese's SwStr has dipped below 6% and he's had arm injuries.

 

How long is Buchholz controlled for?

 

2 options at 12 mil I believe.

[HERPDERP]

If I were Cherington, I would not trade Bucholz within the division. And if you are the Jays, you'd have to expect a premium. The guy is a stud this year, with two more years of control.

 

You'd have to ask for minimum three stud prospects

[TheHurl]

The team just needs to be willing to pony up the necessary resources to land one or two cost-controlled starters. Give the Mets what they want for Jon Niese (he is imminently available for the right price), pick up a guy like Roenis Elias or Trevor May in exchange for a decent hitting prospect and a relief arm, sign someone like Kuma or Leake who either has a high upside or is very dependable. This is a very realistic scenario. We don't need Estrada or Buehrle and don't need to hand it over to the kids before they're ready.

 

Acquiring new starters in the offseason doesn't need to be difficult as long as you make it a priority and pay what it takes.

 

Maybe get 5-10 teams involved too.

[GD]

Maybe get 5-10 teams involved too.

 

As long as Kyle Ryan and Adam Liberatore are involved in the proposal I'm sure all parties will find it equitable.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

You know, if the Twins were abysmal at this point in the year, I think Santana would have been a nice buy low candidate for us. But of course the Twins are looking at a playoff spot. Dammit.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

If I were Cherington, I would not trade Bucholz within the division. And if you are the Jays, you'd have to expect a premium. The guy is a stud this year, with two more years of control.

 

You'd have to ask for minimum three stud prospects

 

Exactly, I don't even consider the rosters of teams in the AL East for trade purposes.

[pat_borders]

You know, if the Twins were abysmal at this point in the year, I think Santana would have been a nice buy low candidate for us. But of course the Twins are looking at a playoff spot. Dammit.

 

Why do ppl from Saskatchewan wear their Ryder jerseys everywhere? They play in a league of 6 teams, it's weird as fck1

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Would you guys trade Dickey+ for Colon?

 

I know, ugh.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Why do ppl from Saskatchewan wear their Ryder jerseys everywhere? They play in a league of 6 teams, it's weird as fck1

 

9 teams, and it's because it's a fun league and great team to cheer for. I don't wear mine everywhere, but I wear my Jays stuff everywhere. Is that as weird as f***?

[BTS]

I'm excited to see what next year's rotation looks like. There should be significant turnover for the first time in awhile. We're probably looking at:

 

1.

2. Stroman

3.

4. Hutchison

5.

[Daniel Labude]

The problem we have is that AA has built a rotaion full of 1 trick pitchers. Dickey only throws a knuckleball, Buehrle is only good if he has supreme comand, Hutchison relies mainly on 2 pitches, Estrada is a crappy version of Buehrle but with only 2 pitches, Sanchez only throws fastballs (effective when in the zone). Good pitchers and pitching staffs have pitchers who can throw more than 2 pitches for strikes on a consistent basis. Our pitchers for most part only have 1 sometimes 2. This gives hitters a 50/50 chance to guess right resulting in more hits/runs.

[Daniel Labude]

I'm excited to see what next year's rotation looks like. There should be significant turnover for the first time in awhile. We're probably looking at:

 

1.

2. Stroman

3.

4. Hutchison

5.

 

I wouldnt pencil in Hutch yet...the way he has pitched he will have to earn the spot come next season

[jays_fever]

One of Mike Leake, Jeff Samsdsdsdsd, Kazmir, Fister, Ian Kennedy has to be signed.

 

Two of Estrada, Norris, Osuna could probably fill the other spots

[BTS]

I wouldnt pencil in Hutch yet...the way he has pitched he will have to earn the spot come next season

 

Then the management team is more incompetent than even I suspected they were. He may not be the 3.8 ERA guy his xFIP says he his, but his true talent isn't likely worse than a third of a run worse than that, at the most. With Stroman as the only other viable starter under contract, it would be foolish to give up on a mid/back rotation starter who will earn less than $1.5M. Unless he's moved as a significant piece for a significant upgrade.

[GD]

Then the management team is more incompetent than even I suspected they were. He may not be the 3.8 ERA guy his xFIP says he his, but his true talent isn't likely worse than a third of a run worse than that, at the most. With Stroman as the only other viable starter under contract, it would be foolish to give up on a mid/back rotation starter who will earn less than $1.5M. Unless he's moved as a significant piece for a significant upgrade.

 

it's really just LTBF being incompetent

[BTS]

One of Mike Leake, Jeff Samsdsdsdsd, Kazmir, Fister, Ian Kennedy has to be signed.

 

Two of Estrada, Norris, Osuna could probably fill the other spots

 

Team should go hard after Samardzija.

[Daniel Labude]

Then the management team is more incompetent than even I suspected they were. He may not be the 3.8 ERA guy his xFIP says he his, but his true talent isn't likely worse than a third of a run worse than that, at the most. With Stroman as the only other viable starter under contract, it would be foolish to give up on a mid/back rotation starter who will earn less than $1.5M. Unless he's moved as a significant piece for a significant upgrade.

 

They shouldnt give up but if they use the extra money wisely we should bring in the some extra pitchers who are just as capable to go along with the prospects might make for a competition

[RealAccountant]

I'm excited to see what next year's rotation looks like. There should be significant turnover for the first time in awhile. We're probably looking at:

 

1.

2. Stroman

3.

4. Hutchison

5.

 

At least we will get a top 5 pick in 2017

[jaysfan2014]

Twenty swinging strikes yesterday for Shark, and he seems to have found the grip on his signature splitter again (the pitch had been ineffective in April/May). The slow start may suppress his market value to the point where he's in the Blue Jays price range.

 

Pretty much. Chicago's not going to contend, and Shark's a free agent at season's end, so Chicago's leverage is a bit low.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Why do ppl from Saskatchewan wear their Ryder jerseys everywhere? They play in a league of 6 teams, it's weird as fck1

 

Cause nobody wants to wear a pat borders jersey! Lol

 

Oh and it's RIDERS we don't rent things here we have money to buy em! Lol

[BigCecil]

 

So you don't think Pillar is an everyday OF, you're not sold on Travis, you think OF depth is an issue, you clearly don't think the starters are good enough, yet you think this team is close enough to trade your top prospects for a half a year of a pitcher or 2 ?

 

Also, it's true that the team hasn't played the FA game, but I think that has something to do with the team president and the vision he's laid out for the team.

 

It's freakin' time they realize overpaying in $$ only is preferable to overpaying in both $$ and prospects.

 

If they want to contend, they'll have to make compromises and overpay for a FA or 2.

 

Simple reason. With this elite offense what we get from Pillar and Travis is icing. They are good enough to compliment the rest. Next yr if Martin, Reyes, Bautista and Edwin(through 2016) are all seeing production drop from aging then you are banking on them more and that's what would make me cautious.

 

Actually I was hoping for Hamels who had 3 more yrs of control. That's not looking like its possible now. They also need to add to pen and I do believe with that its a playoff team.

 

Agree on the FA route...we just haven't signed a real quality arm last 2 off seasons. Its a vicious cycle not winning because that's just part of the reason we aren't attracting them.

Edited July 5, 2015 by BigCecil

[BigCecil]

i think if you watch the games you should realize Stroman is an ace.

 

I do and nobody is an "ace" after 20 MLB starts. Sorry.

[Deadpool]

You guys drive me crazy. No LFer a under performing RFer and you guys want to make the only performing fielder a fourth. Been watching Pillar since last Aug. Sept. and he has been the only consistent defensive fielder of note the Jays have. Every one talks about Saunders numbers pre injury what are his numbers post injury? I know it is a stupid question but it points out that you have to question what his performance will be on his return to the field not his past numbers. You have to look at the severity of his injury and a torn meniscus is no small deal as his time off proves and especially if you make your living running in the field. Pillar is getting comfortable in his position on the team and I think he has finely settle in nicely in CF. He has had to be the brides maid to Pompey and Saunders way to long. Saunders should have to prove he can take over in field and not given the field on past stats. If Pompey is showing good defence in AAA they should consider bringing him back as a forth....This team is going no were with out two solid starters now and all indications are we may have one.

 

Killer first post, bro.

[Deadpool]

Would you guys trade Dickey+ for Colon?

 

I know, ugh.

 

Dickey/Colon jokes aside, I would be happy to get literally any positive return from Dickey at this point. He just looks so done.

[TwistedLogic]

Why in the world would you want to do that? He's our best starting pitcher.

Mark Buerhle says, "Hi!"

*sarcasm detected*

Drew Hutchison says "Howdy?"

 

I'd say they're equal at worst, but Buehrle always outperforms his FIP, and RA9 has him at 2.1 wins so far, ahead of Hutch at 1.5 FIP WAR.

 

Wow, Colabello is almost back down to replacement-level.

 

I think he was always close to replacement level; he's had an elite wRC+, but his defense has been near-worst in the league (4th worst in the majors with -12.6 Def WAR).

[ElNik2013]

Surprisingly, Danny V. is at 1 fWAR.

[TwistedLogic]

I know this team was always flawed, but the last week has me thinking rebuild more than push it over the line. I just dont see how 1 or 2 trades will put this team to where it needs to be.

 

I really don't like the idea of emptying what little we have of value and probably not making the post season this year anyways.

 

Why does one single week weigh more than any other week? The Rays have the same record as the Jays, the Orioles have only been one game better, and the Yankees are only ahead by two games. If they've all produced virtually the same results, should all four teams just hang it up and phone it in for the rest of the year? Or are you saying one bad week by the Jays is supposed to be more concerning than any one poor week by the Yankees or the Orioles that happened earlier in the year?

 

No offense, but it's a good thing that it's not your job to make decisions for the team, since you're clearly very influenced by recency bias. Let's hope the front office is capable of looking at a bigger picture.