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Not when the Brewers traded him.

 

The Jays traded Lawrie at exactly the right time.

 

That was off the field issues, such as drinking and acting like a kid. I think a bigger part was because they didn't think he could stick at second, Just bad evaluation all around.

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Lawrie was traded because they were getting Josh Donaldson back.

 

Well yes, but Lawrie's inability to stay on the field made moving him more Palatable to AA. He had said that himself, but you could argue he would have been moved regardless, impossible to say.

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Well yes, but Lawrie's inability to stay on the field made moving him more Palatable to AA. He had said that himself, but you could argue he would have been moved regardless, impossible to say.

 

He also tried first to get the deal done first several times WITHOUT sending Lawrie.

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Well yes, but Lawrie's inability to stay on the field made moving him more Palatable to AA. He had said that himself, but you could argue he would have been moved regardless, impossible to say.

 

 

Saying he was traded because of his injury-proneness implies the team was looking to "get rid" of him. AA said they weren't looking to trade him, but Beane insisted he be included in the package.

 

I just don't think the team was looking to give Lawrie away because of his injury history.

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He also tried first to get the deal done first several times WITHOUT sending Lawrie.

 

This is accurate. AA's plan was to move Lawrie to 2B. But maybe once he got Travis, he thought they might be covered there.

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Saying he was traded because of his injury-proneness implies the team was looking to "get rid" of him. AA said they weren't looking to trade him, but Beane insisted he be included in the package.

 

I just don't think the team was looking to give Lawrie away because of his injury history.

 

AA didn't want to move Lawrie, but the deal wouldn't have happened if he wasn't included. If Lawrie had stayed healthy and put up a couple 3 WAR seasons AA may have just decided the upgrade wouldn't be worth the cost. AA loathed to trade Lawrie even with his injury history so it's not crazy to think that could have made the difference. AA didn't want to move Lawrie, but his injury history made moving him more acceptable. Both can be true at the same time.

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Wow what a s*** attitude. WTF who says stuff like this when they're year to year on contract.

 

Nothing s***** about it, his honesty is appreciated. People get mad because athletes who are rich and famous can do things like this and they can't. He has the right to an opinion

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Saying a player has some weaknesses doesn't mean that the team wants to move him.

 

Except that you flat out said he was traded because of his health, lol:

 

Lawrie was traded because of his health.

 

 

 

No big deal, you probably meant something else

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Except that you flat out said he was traded because of his health, lol.

 

No big deal, you probably meant something else.

 

Yeah, my original post didn't accurately portray my opinion, my bad. I attempted to clear it up in the next post by saying his health made moving him more palatable, That's my actual opinion. The only reason he was moved was because Donaldson was the return, Health was just considered in evaluating Lawrie's value to the club.

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Lawrie was traded because of his health.

 

Yeah, my original post didn't accurately portray my opinion, my bad. I attempted to clear it up in the next post by saying his health made moving him more palatable, That's my actual opinion. The only reason he was moved was because Donaldson was the return, Health was just considered in evaluating Lawrie's value to the club.

 

 

 

All cleared up.

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This is accurate. AA's plan was to move Lawrie to 2B. But maybe once he got Travis, he thought they might be covered there.

 

Can you imagine our infield with Lawrie at 2B for this season? We probably would have had to send a blue chip prospect or two instead, and that's crazy, but it's nice to imagine that infield. We would almost have no position holes, short of depending on Lawrie's health, and Pompey being a rookie.

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That was off the field issues, such as drinking and acting like a kid. I think a bigger part was because they didn't think he could stick at second, Just bad evaluation all around.

 

Exactly my point. The reason players like him get traded for less what what they are perceived to be worth (Lawrie/Marcum) is because of things like that. Lawrie was traded for being an entitled douche in Milwaukee. Rasmus was traded for many reasons by the Cardinals. Escobar was traded because the ATL organization collectively hated his guts. You can't acquire players like that and expect them to be long-term core pieces. Lawrie was young enough when acquired to have the potential to mature a bit, but he clearly did not, and combine that with his injury issues made him completely expendable in my opinion. The fact that AA was able to get Donaldson for him is still unbelievable.

 

With that said, Lawrie has the potential to have a ~4 WAR season or two in Oakland (largely on his defense) but I think Beane will be smart enough to cut bait before he has to extend him. Take whatever value you can get and cut bait. That's the smart thing to do.

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