Around Baseball 2015

[burlingtonbandit]

100% agree. There must be crazy pressure from players union...cause it makes zero sense to me.

 

Yeah thats crazy.

[Top 10 Personal Catcher]

100% agree. There must be crazy pressure from players union...cause it makes zero sense to me.

 

"Okay Zack, you have to take the highest offer, no matter what team it's from. Otherwise, Josh Thole will only get $600,000 instead of $800,000."

[BTS]

Arizona isn't even bad. They're missing a 2B, but that's pretty much it.

[Top 10 Personal Catcher]

Arizona isn't even bad. They're missing a 2B, but that's pretty much it.

 

Goins and Smoak for Goldy.

[The Cats Ass]

Maybe Greinke wanted to go to a lesser team so there'd be less pressure. Does he still suffer from anxiety?

[burlingtonbandit]

If Arizona didn't have Dave Stewart as their GM I think people would really like the franchise. Just when you hear Stewart making stupid comments, no one has confidence he could build a contender.

[G-Snarls]

I can't wait to see the details. For Arizona to steal an elite player away from LA, it must be huge.

 

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 1m1 minute ago

so LA offer was about 31M per year for 5 yrs. never felt comfortable going 6 for 32-yr-old pitcher.

[burlingtonbandit]

Around 195 Million

[Atothe]

6 years 186ish

[G-Snarls]

People gonna freak on Friedman if he doesn't fix the starting rotation another way

[dineke]

I never knew Arizona had money.

[Laika]

I really like what Arizona has done recently. They're going to be an interesting team in the NLW.

 

Yeah Arizona turned things around pretty fast.

 

They used to look really good and headed in the right direction, then Kevin Towers kind of steered the ship straight downwards with a series of dogshit moves.

 

But the emergence of guys like Pollock and David Peralta have helped them float back up quickly. And Enciarte and they have an entire outfield that kind of came out of nowhere. I also personally like Lamb and Castillo and I see the usefulness of Ahmed. That right there + Goldy is 7 positions filled. (Tomas/2B suck).

 

On the pitching side, Corbin is obviously good and healthy again and I am personally partial to all three of Ray, Anderson, and De La Rosa. Greinke gives them a classic SP1->SP5. And they always seem to be dripping with good controllable bullpen arms.

 

They will be good!

[KingKat]

In watching this David Price introductory press conference, and noticing that it's the same as literally every other major free agent press conference, it got me wondering, why do athletes ********, and sometimes go so far as to lie in these things? I understand the psychology of sports fandom, and how people like to hear that the player views their team as "a winner", or "storied", or whatever; but, what would really happen if David Price, or any free agent, simply said, "They offered me the highest salary, and I'm willing to play in this city"? Is there any actual evidence to substantiate the idea that simply telling the truth will result in some kind of negative outcome? Is there any evidence to suggest that the bullshitting is actually beneficial to the team in some way?

 

These questions not only apply to free agent introductory press conferences, but any press conference from an athlete, or executive for that matter. I understand a GM being cryptic, so as not to give away trade plans, or something like that; but, beyond that, why do athletes and executives ******** so much, and what are the benefits of it?

 

I feel like the question that you're asking goes far beyond the realm of sports and it has a lot do with how communication works. Talking isn't just about communicating information. Communicating information accounts for very little of spoken conservation actually. Talking is mostly about reinforcing things like social norms, stratification, identity. If this is a subject that truly interests you, it might suggest taking some classes in linguistics and eventually sociolinguistics. It can be pretty fascinating, revelatory stuff. Or if you want to dive right into the deep end, track down "Ce que parler veut dire" (In English: Language and Symbolic Power) by Pierre Bourdieu. It's one of a handful of books that I credit with having significantly shaped my world view.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think I'm gonna try to go watch the games vs the Dbacks this year. Even if they are mid week games it'll be cool to see Goldy live and Greinke if he pitches.

[BTS]

People gonna freak on Friedman if he doesn't fix the starting rotation another way

 

Kershaw

Anderson

McCarthy

Wood

Bolsinger

Ryu

Urias

 

Injury questions with Ryu and McCarthy but any upgrade is just a luxury.

[dineke]

Was just on Zona's baseball reference page... how the heck did they go from 65 wins to 100 in their first 2 years after expansion? Damn.

[BTS]

6 years @ 32.5 is absolutely ridiculous for a 32-year old pitcher.

[Laika]

Greinke on a 6 year deal:

 

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[td]WAR[/td]

[td]$/WAR[/td]

[td]Value[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]4.1[/td]

[td]8[/td]

[td]32.8[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]3.6[/td]

[td]8.56[/td]

[td]30.82[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]3.1[/td]

[td]9.25[/td]

[td]28.66[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]2.6[/td]

[td]9.98[/td]

[td]25.96[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]2.1[/td]

[td]10.78[/td]

[td]22.65[/td]

[/tr]

[tr]

[td]1.6[/td]

[td]11.65[/td]

[td]18.63[/td]

[/tr]

[/table]

fair contract = $159.51M

 

Rough value ^^^

[o2cui2i]

6 years @ 32.5 is absolutely ridiculous for a 32-year old pitcher.

 

so, if I'm understanding how they work out the numbers when giving up this kind of contract, they are expecting him to avg about 4 WAR for the next 6 years?

[THANOS]

Yeah man they give out the same assignments to everyone.

 

Awesome! Thanks for that man! Do they give you aid on them as well?

[BTS]

so, if I'm understanding how they work out the numbers when giving up this kind of contract, they are expecting him to avg about 4 WAR for the next 6 years?

 

Napkin math is like 3.x for them to break even. But it's hard to believe Dave Stewart thinks like that at all.

[o2cui2i]

Rough value ^^^

 

those numbers are just insane. I'm not questioning the math, but instead the fact that teams are willing to pay that much money. teams wont be able to keep up with the pace of those increases.

[Laika]

6 years @ 32.5 is absolutely ridiculous for a 32-year old pitcher.

 

They also lose pick #13, which has substantial value (over $15M).

[Laika]

those numbers are just insane. I'm not questioning the math, but instead the fact that teams are willing to pay that much money. teams wont be able to keep up with the pace of those increases.

 

Revenues have reportedly increased a lot more than player salaries in the last couple of decades.

[dineke]

those numbers are just insane. I'm not questioning the math, but instead the fact that teams are willing to pay that much money. teams wont be able to keep up with the pace of those increases.

 

Nah... MLB is making tons of money. Players are still underpaid.

[o2cui2i]

Napkin math is like 3.x for them to break even. But it's hard to believe Dave Stewart thinks like that at all.

 

the wages in baseball have gone full on nuclear. they are making ridiculous money. 20M is 38 dollars per minute, of every hour, of every week, of every month.

[Laika]

Nah... MLB is making tons of money. Players are still underpaid.

 

Especially those poor minor leaguers...

[BTS]

the wages in baseball have gone full on nuclear. they are making ridiculous money. 20M is 38 dollars per minute, of every hour, of every week, of every month.

 

$89,000 per day!

[o2cui2i]

Revenues have reportedly increased a lot more than player salaries in the last couple of decades.

 

which fans pay for one way or another.

[o2cui2i]

$89,000 per day!

 

for a normal person that is sick to even think about.