Around Baseball 2015

[Laika]

Lawrie only projects for 1.5 wins at this point. It's over, man.

 

Maybe the best recent example of why personality matters in player development.

[Frenchsoup]

They're better options in the off-season right now then thinking about reacquiring Lawrie.

[Dr. Dinger]

Lawrie only projects for 1.5 wins at this point. It's over, man.

 

Maybe the best recent example of why personality matters in player development.

 

And Burch Smith projects for 200 Ks.

[KingKat]

Well the amount of reasonable/expected decline in defensive skill at 25 years old, with no debilitating injury, is very small. Actually, players should still be improving at 25.

 

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I don't know what the reasonable amount to "chalk up to noise" is. But we know that one season of UZR isn't a stable measurement of skill.

 

Make your own conclusions about likelihood. We saw Lawrie play defense every day for a few years.

 

Yeah sorry to press you so hard. I just find it frustrating. If it's necessary to throw the stat out the window every now and then because it just doesn't make sense then what is the stat even worth? What's the underlying issue here? If the issue is merely that Lawrie had some horrible luck on defense this year and isn't a true talent -16 fielder? If that's the case that's fine. Maybe that's what meant by "noise". Information that is accurate but not really meaningful in a larger context. That's not really what I think of when I see the word noise but I think that's how you've described it in the past so we might just be talking through each other at this point. When I think of noise though, I think of is as non-information. A measure with no real accuracy. That's different from a small sample size issue.

[Frenchsoup]

Lawrie only projects for 1.5 wins at this point. It's over, man.

 

Maybe the best recent example of why personality matters in player development.

 

I think it's about baseball IQ more then being a jackass.

[KingKat]

They're better options in the off-season right now then thinking about reacquiring Lawrie.

 

I'd rather bring back Valencia to be honest.

[Laika]

And Burch Smith projects for 200 Ks.

 

It's not Steamer's fault that Burch has the inverted L and went the way of fellow phenom Mark Prior.

[Frenchsoup]

I'd rather bring back Valencia to be honest.

 

Again, not the smartest player.

[KingKat]

I think it's about baseball IQ more then being a jackass.

 

His baseball IQ is off the charts though. Most scouts didn't think he could play 3B at all and he took to it like a duck to water despite basically just running on pure instincts.

[Frenchsoup]

His baseball IQ is off the charts though. Most scouts didn't think he could play 3B at all and he took to it like a duck to water despite basically just running on pure instincts.

 

That's not baseball IQ. That's learning how to play baseball and being a gifted athlete.

[Dr. Dinger]

It's not Steamer's fault that Burch has the inverted L and went the way of fellow phenom Mark Prior.

 

Inverted L? Isn't that what happened to Dave Dravecky?

[KingKat]

That's not baseball IQ. That's learning how to play baseball and being a gifted athlete.

 

Then what the hell is baseball IQ then?

[Frenchsoup]

Then what the hell is baseball IQ then?

 

Guessing along with the pitcher, swiping bags when the pitcher forgets about you in the proper situation, having a 2 strike approach, hitting cutoffs, knowing when to take risks and when not to ( diving for a ball or just let it fall and keep a force on).

[Laika]

Inverted L? Isn't that what happened to Dave Dravecky?

 

lol

[Laika]

Yeah sorry to press you so hard. I just find it frustrating. If it's necessary to throw the stat out the window every now and then because it just doesn't make sense then what is the stat even worth? What's the underlying issue here? If the issue is merely that Lawrie had some horrible luck on defense this year and isn't a true talent -16 fielder? If that's the case that's fine. Maybe that's what meant by "noise". Information that is accurate but not really meaningful in a larger context. That's not really what I think of when I see the word noise but I think that's how you've described it in the past so we might just be talking through each other at this point. When I think of noise though, I think of is as non-information. A measure with no real accuracy. That's different from a small sample size issue.

 

You don't throw it out the window, it's part of the sample. Noise isn't really a technical or scientific term but it's basically just unexplained variation from the truth/mean. I'm not really a stats nerd so I'm the wrong guy to explain anything. Too bad we had to put Nox in the ground earlier this year

 

We can assume based on all prior information that Brett Lawrie's true defensive skill isn't -15 runs. Something noisy happened in 2015. I'm not sure what.

 

But there could be some truth underneath the noise, if he did actually decline a bit. We won't know for a little while though.

[Laika]

Then what the hell is baseball IQ then?

 

Being smart about baseball

 

Everything Brett does well is instinctual. His defense is purely instinctual. When he succeeds at the plate it's all instinct and athleticism in a "see ball, hit ball" kind of way.

 

It's hard to ever imagine him becoming a cerebral, patient hitter, isn't it?

[Spanky99]

I read this last night on MLBTR, I don't get why they're moving him already. Lowrie and Semien up the middle with Lawrie playing the hot corner, are they really going to go with Valencia FT their? They can't be that tight for cash are they?

[KingKat]

Being smart about baseball

 

Everything Brett does well is instinctual. His defense is purely instinctual. When he succeeds at the plate it's all instinct and athleticism in a "see ball, hit ball" kind of way.

 

It's hard to ever imagine him becoming a cerebral, patient hitter, isn't it?

 

So is baseball I.Q. just a polite way of dancing around whether or not a player is dumb? It's funny cause I thought it meant your baseball instincts but it seems like it's more like your actual intelectual capacity.

[gruber92]

They were able to trade Donaldson for assets and free up the cash for Billy Butler. Win-win.

 

Assets are not proven and Butler is a one sided average player.

 

Lose lose.

[Laika]

So is baseball I.Q. just a polite way of dancing around whether or not a player is dumb? It's funny cause I thought it meant your baseball instincts but it seems like it's more like your actual intelectual capacity.

 

I think IQ and baseball IQ would be well correlated but not necessarily the same thing. Brett Lawrie is probably dumb in both regards. It's probably entirely possible to be a brick IRL but be smart at sports.

[King]

Assets are not proven and Butler is a one sided average player.

 

Lose lose.

 

whoosh

[Frenchsoup]

So is baseball I.Q. just a polite way of dancing around whether or not a player is dumb? It's funny cause I thought it meant your baseball instincts but it seems like it's more like your actual intelectual capacity.

 

I have seen some dumb people have amazing baseball IQ, it's just a part of their brain that functions better. Lawrie is clogging his brain cells up with red bulls and pumped up tunes.

[Spanky99]

I think IQ and baseball IQ would be well correlated but not necessarily the same thing. Brett Lawrie is probably dumb in both regards. It's probably entirely possible to be a brick IRL but be smart at sports.

 

Most definitely this.

[Spanky99]

Assets are not proven and Butler is a one sided average player.

 

Lose lose.

 

He's joking mate. Slinging a laugh at Beane's expense, lol.

[KingKat]

I think IQ and baseball IQ would be well correlated but not necessarily the same thing. Brett Lawrie is probably dumb in both regards. It's probably entirely possible to be a brick IRL but be smart at sports.

 

Well I.Q. the actual test is ******** anyways. Says more about what kind of culture you grew up in than what your actual intelectual capacity is. I certainly believe that someone who would scrore poorly on a I.Q. test might actually be very smart and that inteligence would manifest itself in other ways like being really good at processing and applying the information gleaned from an atbat.

[Maahfaace]

I bet it just comes down to billy beans just not liking Brett Lawrie and his amped up personality. He doesn't get a 3 year pass in Oak cause he's canadian.

[Maahfaace]

I think IQ and baseball IQ would be well correlated but not necessarily the same thing. Brett Lawrie is probably dumb in both regards. It's probably entirely possible to be a brick IRL but be smart at sports.

 

Colin cowherd

[HERPDERP]

I don't have money now

 

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[The Cats Ass]

So, which one of his 3 fiancées would you pick? Seems like each one keeps getting more, "fake"?

 

1st Fiancee:

2nd:

3rd:

[Brownie19]

I bet it just comes down to billy beans just not liking Brett Lawrie and his amped up personality. He doesn't get a 3 year pass in Oak cause he's canadian.

 

Lawrie's probably been complaining that he has to pay for his own daily case of Red Bull. Beane's heard enough.