Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 You seem to be under the impression that our GM has a rotating selection of talent on a silver platter, and he can just pick and choose at his leisure which high level talent he desires! Because there's so many of them and there's not 29 other teams in the mix. d'Arnaud is a bit of a question mark, is still 100% absolutely unequivocally true. The fact that you are trying to imply he's 100% legit talent is fanboy wisdom. Considering that AA balked on two deals that specifically requested Syndergaard as a main piece (Gonzalez and Latos) he certainly had opportunities to spend his prospects in a better manner. d'Arnaud is certainly a question, and an injury risk. But I would still choose him over a lot of other catchers in the league, despite the injury risk, like I said in my original reply, he's shown to hold his own and there's a very reasonable chance he'll improve.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Considering that AA balked on two deals that specifically requested Syndergaard as a main piece (Gonzalez and Latos) he certainly had opportunities to spend his prospects in a better manner. d'Arnaud is certainly a question, and an injury risk. But I would still choose him over a lot of other catchers in the league, despite the injury risk, like I said in my original reply, he's shown to hold his own and there's a very reasonable chance he'll improve. Pretty sure Padres just took the Grandal deal over our offer, don't think AA balked. Synder for Gio would've been so much better, though.
Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Pretty sure Padres just took the Grandal deal over our offer, don't think AA balked. Synder for Gio would've been so much better, though. Not sure the Jays did offer d'Arnaud for Latos, but I can't find any confirmation what the Jays actually offered the Padres.
GD Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Not sure the Jays did offer d'Arnaud for Latos, but I can't find any confirmation what the Jays actually offered the Padres. Well, Latos' market value right now is approximately Anthony DeSclafani, so it's a good thing that didn't work out, lol. Pitcherz r dumn.
Gorlak Verified Member Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Considering that AA balked on two deals that specifically requested Syndergaard as a main piece (Gonzalez and Latos) he certainly had opportunities to spend his prospects in a better manner. d'Arnaud is certainly a question, and an injury risk. But I would still choose him over a lot of other catchers in the league, despite the injury risk, like I said in my original reply, he's shown to hold his own and there's a very reasonable chance he'll improve. He needed to get a pitcher that didn't get paid so he was kind of handcuffed.
Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 He needed to get a pitcher that didn't get paid so he was kind of handcuffed. Latos and Gio both fit that bill at the time.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 He needed to get a pitcher that didn't get paid so he was kind of handcuffed. Not sure 'needed' is the right word. At the time, MB, Johnson, Morrow, Romero, Happ were all on the team. No one knew the depth of suckage 4 of the 5 would turn out to be in 2013. But the point is, holding on to d'Arnaud and Syndergaard was, by f***ing FAR, the better move to make.
Carp12 Verified Member Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I thought d'Arnaud was one of the worst defensively rated catchers? Thought he rated good in pitch framing but poor at everything else He ranked a distant last among catchers with -15 Defensive Runs Saved. • D’Arnaud had 51 wild pitch and passed ball misplays, second-most in the majors, behind only Wilin Rosario's 56. His ratio of blocked pitches in the dirt to wild pitches and passed balls was the worst among everyday catchers. He made nine errors (eight throwing errors), tied for fourth-most in the majors.
Gorlak Verified Member Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Not sure 'needed' is the right word. At the time, MB, Johnson, Morrow, Romero, Happ were all on the team. No one knew the depth of suckage 4 of the 5 would turn out to be in 2013. But the point is, holding on to d'Arnaud and Syndergaard was, by f***ing FAR, the better move to make. It was a legit bet to go all in, No one at the time could have predicted how it ended. Meanwhile people blasted the Royals trade for Shields because they weren't close enough, Best laid plans of mice and men.
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 Top-10 Jose Peraza Micah Johnson Forrest Wall Dilson Herrera Sean Coyle Devon Travis Robert Refsnyder Ryan Brett Darnell Sweeney Avery Romero Devon Travis 23 Scouting Grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 40 | Run: 50 | Arm: 50 | Field: 50 | Overall: 50 Just a year after the Tigers picked him in the 13th round of the 2012 Draft out of Florida State, Travis surprised scouts by finishing second in the Minor Leagues with a .351 batting average and third with 177 hits. An oblique injury hampered him in 2014, but his batting average still ranked in the top 10 in the Eastern League. His success attracted the attention of other teams and, in November, the Blue Jays acquired him in exchange for Anthony Gose. Often overlooked because of his size, Travis simply finds a way to put the bat on the ball. He has a quick, compact swing and controls the barrel of the bat well. He's shown surprising power as a professional and could be good for double-digit home runs every year. Travis is a solid defender at second base, capable of making all the plays required. He earns praise for his instincts and heady play, which allow his tools to play up.
AdamGreenwood Old-Timey Member Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Second base in the minors is the kiss of death. Just about every major league second baseman played short until they got moved to second when their defense didn't hold up in the majors.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Latos and Gio both fit that bill at the time. 3,700 Blue Jays scouts watched Latos, Gio and Dickey live, interviewed their pets and gave their high school coaches a handjob in exchange for information. 3,640 of them agreed that CitiField's beer was the most free.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 I thought d'Arnaud was one of the worst defensively rated catchers? Thought he rated good in pitch framing but poor at everything else He ranked a distant last among catchers with -15 Defensive Runs Saved. • D’Arnaud had 51 wild pitch and passed ball misplays, second-most in the majors, behind only Wilin Rosario's 56. His ratio of blocked pitches in the dirt to wild pitches and passed balls was the worst among everyday catchers. He made nine errors (eight throwing errors), tied for fourth-most in the majors. He went from a very good defensive catcher in the minors (you can read my scouting reports on the old boards, I hate that place so I won't search)...Mets had him concentrate on framing (something that it's possible he was never asked to do previously) and they think he took it too seriously and keeping his glove steady was causing the passed balls. He put it together really well in a small sample near the end of the season. I suspect those DRS numbers will change considerably this season. But once again I'm biased. I heart TdA.
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 I thought d'Arnaud was one of the worst defensively rated catchers? Thought he rated good in pitch framing but poor at everything else He ranked a distant last among catchers with -15 Defensive Runs Saved. • D’Arnaud had 51 wild pitch and passed ball misplays, second-most in the majors, behind only Wilin Rosario's 56. His ratio of blocked pitches in the dirt to wild pitches and passed balls was the worst among everyday catchers. He made nine errors (eight throwing errors), tied for fourth-most in the majors. And Rosario's poor numbers are getting him sent to the outfield/1B.
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) He went from a very good defensive catcher in the minors (you can read my scouting reports on the old boards, I hate that place so I won't search)...Mets had him concentrate on framing (something that it's possible he was never asked to do previously) and they think he took it too seriously and keeping his glove steady was causing the passed balls. He put it together really well in a small sample near the end of the season. I suspect those DRS numbers will change considerably this season. But once again I'm biased. I heart TdA. Then he's going to have to hit this year.. Kevin Plawecki is close to the majors. And D'Arnaud's September numbers were inflated by out of contention teams in Miami and Cincinnati, especially the Sept 2nd and 5th games, where he had 3 hits, against a regressing Alfredo Simon(Detroit is going to get BURNED on that deal..) and Brad Penny.. let's see him put up those numbers against real major league talent. And not to mention, he needs to stay healthy.. Even if he hits, he may end up moving to the outfield if the defense does not improve.. he can't throw anybody out(his SB numbers have gotten worse since he reached the majors, likely from trying to frame pitches so well at the expense of defense, too many WP and PBs, and of course, frequent injuries behind the plate. Edited January 27, 2015 by jaysfan2014
burlingtonbandit Old-Timey Member Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Then he's going to have to hit this year.. Kevin Plawecki is close to the majors. And D'Arnaud's September numbers were inflated by out of contention teams in Miami and Cincinnati, especially the Sept 2nd and 5th games, where he had 3 hits, against a regressing Alfredo Simon(Detroit is going to get BURNED on that deal..) and Brad Penny.. let's see him put up those numbers against real major league talent. And not to mention, he needs to stay healthy.. Even if he hits, he may end up moving to the outfield if the defense does not improve.. he can't throw anybody out(his SB numbers have gotten worse since he reached the majors, likely from trying to frame pitches so well at the expense of defense, too many WP and PBs, and of course, frequent injuries behind the plate. you are trying to hard.
Caper Verified Member Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 I thought d'Arnaud was one of the worst defensively rated catchers? Thought he rated good in pitch framing but poor at everything else He ranked a distant last among catchers with -15 Defensive Runs Saved. • D’Arnaud had 51 wild pitch and passed ball misplays, second-most in the majors, behind only Wilin Rosario's 56. His ratio of blocked pitches in the dirt to wild pitches and passed balls was the worst among everyday catchers. He made nine errors (eight throwing errors), tied for fourth-most in the majors. Don't you know Jose Molina is the greatest catcher to ever play the game? Solely due to his pitch framing. Nothing else matters.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Don't you know Jose Molina is the greatest catcher to ever play the game? Solely due to his pitch framing. Nothing else matters. Why so obtuse, pitch framing is real brah?
GNick49 Verified Member Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Second base in the minors is the kiss of death. Just about every major league second baseman played short until they got moved to second when their defense didn't hold up in the majors. Not good to read this...they moved Smith to 2b in Fall League
GD Old-Timey Member Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Not good to read this...they moved Smith to 2b in Fall League They moved him from a corner OF though. 2B>COF.
GNick49 Verified Member Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 They moved him from a corner OF though. 2B>COF. He may go back, that was before Travis trade
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 He may go back, that was before Travis trade Travis isn't a fair bet. Calm down!!
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 Top-10 3B Kris Bryant Joey Gallo Miguel Sano D.J. Peterson Maikel Franco Jake Lamb Rafael Devers Garin Cecchini Colin Moran Rio Ruiz No Mitch Nay
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2015 Author Posted January 28, 2015 Top-10 SS Carlos Correa Francisco Lindor Addison Russell Corey Seager J.P. Crawford Nick Gordon Raul Adalberto Mondesi Trea Turner Daniel Robertson Tim Anderson Barreto (Bat) will be there at the end of this year.
HERPDERP Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 Somewhat related - can anyone post Keith Law's team farm system rankings? We're 19th.
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 Second base in the minors is the kiss of death. Just about every major league second baseman played short until they got moved to second when their defense didn't hold up in the majors. Or they are blocked by a SS that is already playing in the MLB. Similar to why Peraza was moved over.
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 Will I get harassed if I pick Pentecost ahead of Sanchez?
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 Will I get harassed if I pick Pentecost ahead of Sanchez? With so little data, it's pretty hard to argue for or against any ranking for Pentecost.
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 Will I get harassed if I pick Pentecost ahead of Sanchez? With so little data, it's pretty hard to argue for or against any ranking for Pentecost. Do you guys think you're here... http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/4315-2015-BJMB-Offseason-Top-Prospects-List-2
Angrioter Old-Timey Member Posted January 29, 2015 Author Posted January 29, 2015 Top-10 OF Byron Buxton Joc Pederson Jorge Soler Jesse Winker Alex Jackson Michael Taylor Dalton Pompey Austin Meadows Hunter Renfroe Clint Frazier Dalton Pompey Scouting Grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 45 | Run: 60 | Arm: 50 | Field: 60 | Overall: 55 After starting the 2014 season with Class A Advanced Dunedin, Pompey rocketed through three levels of the Minor Leagues and made his Major League debut in September. Along the way, the Ontario native appeared in the All-Star Futures Game and established himself as the Blue Jays' top position prospect. Pompey combines elite athleticism with a good feel for hitting on both sides of the plate. He has a mature approach and is adapt at working walks. While his approach lends itself more to high contact rates than power, his bat speed enables him to drive balls. He has above-average speed and puts it to good use both on the basepaths and in center field, where he covers a lot of ground. Though Pompey still has room for further refinement, the Blue Jays showed faith in him during the offseason and he was penciled in as their starting center fielder entering the 2015 season.
JoJo Parker Dunedin Blue Jays - A SS On Tuesday, Parker was just 1-for-5, but the one hit was his first professional home run. Explore JoJo Parker News >
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now