SAAviour Verified Member Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/philadelphia-phillies-should-be-able-to-find-a-taker-for-ryan-howard-011115 Would you take Howard as a LH bench bat/DH? And what would you pay him?
SAAviour Verified Member Posted January 12, 2015 Author Posted January 12, 2015 I think 2 mil is too much but for 1 mil I'd have to consider it....I guess, just barely.
BTS Community Moderator Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 I'd rather just cycle guys through the DH position than waste a roster spot on Howard.
NorthOf49 Old-Timey Member Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Ryan Howard projects as a below average hitter and can never play the field... I don't see any appeal in him. If he were a free agent I'd consider a minor league deal. Kenny Ken's article is rough to say the least. The mere fact that Howard hits home runs doesn't make him attractive... it's 2015 for goodness sake. Saying he's comparable to Butler and Morales is just wrong.
SAAviour Verified Member Posted January 12, 2015 Author Posted January 12, 2015 Ryan Howard projects as a below average hitter and can never play the field... I don't see any appeal in him. If he were a free agent I'd consider a minor league deal. Kenny Ken's article is rough to say the least. The mere fact that Howard hits home runs doesn't make him attractive... it's 2015 for goodness sake. Saying he's comparable to Butler and Morales is just wrong. I agree, kennie messed up on this one. I'll be shocked if someone agrees to pay him 7 mil. I think I also want to change my vote, I'm liking the revolving DH idea like BTS said...I've been advocating that all winter and temporarily forgot my own advice
NorthOf49 Old-Timey Member Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 I agree, kennie messed up on this one. I'll be shocked if someone agrees to pay him 7 mil. I think I also want to change my vote, I'm liking the revolving DH idea like BTS said...I've been advocating that all winter and temporarily forgot my own advice They'd get similar or better production from from the Dan Johnson types they keep Buffalo stocked with. There's no reason to seek Howard out especially. That's what being replacement level means. Kenny Ken is getting defensive on Twitter now... pretty annoying. Sometimes the news-breaking types venture too far into speculation and blog-style writing.
HERPDERP Old-Timey Member Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Ryan Howard is only good in name. He's useless now. It's practically the same thing as asking if we want Vernon Wells back or Frank Thomas.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 I'd love to see him go to Seattle...the worst pull power hitter in baseball going to the most pull happy org in baseball. Seeing as RC has one of the best LF HR/FB ratios in baseball Howard is actually best fit for here (Howard's best fit is still bad). Many are happy to stick with Smoak who actually has been outhit by Howard though, so I think the better question is...would you take on Howard at 20 percent of his contract, if it came with Chase Utley?
Hipfan Verified Member Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 I'd love to see him go to Seattle...the worst pull power hitter in baseball going to the most pull happy org in baseball. Seeing as RC has one of the best LF HR/FB ratios in baseball Howard is actually best fit for here (Howard's best fit is still bad). Many are happy to stick with Smoak who actually has been outhit by Howard though, so I think the better question is...would you take on Howard at 20 percent of his contract, if it came with Chase Utley? I'd do that trade. It's huge upgrade at 2nd base and maybe you get some value out of Howard. If not, it's just the cost of acquiring one of the top 2B in the game. It would put the Jays over the top, IMHO (even if the bullpen needs work).
xposbrad Verified Member Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Ryan Howard is only good in name. He's useless now. It's practically the same thing as asking if we want Vernon Wells back or Frank Thomas. Well, if Navarro gets swapped, you never know how Howard could perform being JUST a full time DH, not playing the field. For 5m/yr and if it only took a B prospect or a guy that doesn't fit in our plans, I'd take the chance. We already have decent obp guys 1-5. I think Howard could improve on his hitting numbers DHing full time, imo. He's a beast.
HERPDERP Old-Timey Member Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Howard's offensive production last year in a bandbox was pathetic. I'd rather have Smoak, who cost nothing to acquire, than to use up Navarro who could bring better value to this club in some other way.
SaskJaysFan_2 Verified Member Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 I'd love to see him go to Seattle...the worst pull power hitter in baseball going to the most pull happy org in baseball. Seeing as RC has one of the best LF HR/FB ratios in baseball Howard is actually best fit for here (Howard's best fit is still bad). Many are happy to stick with Smoak who actually has been outhit by Howard though, so I think the better question is...would you take on Howard at 20 percent of his contract, if it came with Chase Utley? Definitely I make that deal. I think Howard as the full time DH (well, maybe ~450 AB's) might really do something. I wouldn't want him touching 1B. At the very least, he'd be a powerful presence as a PH off the bench with men on. Utley would be awesome, of course, but IIRC he has a full no-trade clause and has no intention of ever leaving Philadelphia.
rolliesmustache Verified Member Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 If you were confident that Howard would hit RHP like he did prior to 2014 he'd be a solid platoon option. I guess that's a risk some team out there will take but I doubt it'll be the Jays.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I'd rather have a Q of blow and a couple call girls... then Howard, but who wouldn't, lol.
intentional wok Old-Timey Member Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I might take him if the price is amazingly cheap. He might be all right as a well used DH platoon, but I'm pretty sure an Edwin/Smoak/Valencia 1B-DH rotation is ultimately more valuable, without even looking at the numbers. I'd rather have a Q of blow and a couple call girls... then Howard, but who wouldn't, lol. I like your style, my spanking friend.
READERsince2006 Verified Member Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 If we hadnt already committed a million to smoak then maybe, but the smoak/valencia platoon and depth is a much greater asset and for the price Maybe if smoak shits the bed in april/may and howard is healthy and atleast productive vs righties the maybe send the phillies aj jiminez or a couple lower ranked 20-30 prospects but they have to send 50 million with him, we pay the buyout in 2017 Reyes Martin Bautista Encarnacion Donaldson Howard Saunders Travis Pompey Not sure if edwin at 1st for 100 games is good for his health, defence and his preference of dh
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 If we hadnt already committed a million to smoak then maybe, but the smoak/valencia platoon and depth is a much greater asset and for the price Maybe if smoak shits the bed in april/may and howard is healthy and atleast productive vs righties the maybe send the phillies aj jiminez or a couple lower ranked 20-30 prospects but they have to send 50 million with him, we pay the buyout in 2017 Reyes Martin Bautista Encarnacion Donaldson Howard Saunders Travis Pompey Not sure if edwin at 1st for 100 games is good for his health, defence and his preference of dh NO!
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I might take him if the price is amazingly cheap. He might be all right as a well used DH platoon, but I'm pretty sure an Edwin/Smoak/Valencia 1B-DH rotation is ultimately more valuable, without even looking at the numbers. I like your style, my spanking friend. There's no beating it, lol.
intentional wok Old-Timey Member Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 If we hadnt already committed a million to smoak then maybe, but the smoak/valencia platoon and depth is a much greater asset and for the price Maybe if smoak shits the bed in april/may and howard is healthy and atleast productive vs righties the maybe send the phillies aj jiminez or a couple lower ranked 20-30 prospects but they have to send 50 million with him, we pay the buyout in 2017 Reyes Martin Bautista Encarnacion Donaldson Howard Saunders Travis Pompey Not sure if edwin at 1st for 100 games is good for his health, defence and his preference of dh Now that I think of it, the Jays also picked up Daric Barton. I think a Smoak-Barton competition isn't markedly worse than the reasonable expectations from Howard. Any money allocated for Howard should be spent elsewhere, IMO. I wish I could change my vote.
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