Fewest errors in the majors

[Convo]

Fewest errors in the majors (8)... Your Toronto Blue Jays! Last year they finished with the 5th most (111). Take it how you want but after the circus last year, this can't be a bad thing. For those watching most or all of the games, it's easy to tell that the defense has improved.

 

Diaz and Goins have been a revelation, defensively (playing both SS and 2B). I can't recall either of them making a single mistake all year or not coming up with a ball that they should of. Really, really impressed.

 

In terms of catching duties, Navarro has been a significant upgrade over JPA. There was the one game where he allowed 3 wild pitches and 3 runners to score in one inning but I can't blame him for it (Santos slider is vicious especially when it's 3 feet in-front of the plate).

 

Melky is running better and that's led to a few extra plays being made that he wouldn't of made last year, granted he's still not an above average LF.

 

Lawrie looks even better than he was after returning from injury last year, he's not rushing and he's making all of the plays he needs to make plus a few gems.

 

Rasmus has looked good in the OF but has missed some deep fly balls mainly due to poor positioning.

[G-Snarls]

Nice

 

Errors aren't all-telling about defense obviously, but yes it sure has been a refreshing change from last year

 

Fun to watch, too

[Dylan]

It's nice knowing that simple groundouts and double plays will be made instead of having to hold your breath every play.

[Convo]

Errors are dumb. Use UZR or DRS.

 

No.

[Convo]

It's nice knowing that simple groundouts and double plays will be made instead of having to hold your breath every play.

 

Exactly.

[Convo]

Nice

 

Errors aren't all-telling about defense obviously, but yes it sure has been a refreshing change from last year

 

Fun to watch, too

 

Agreed.

[ElNik2013]

The improvement is quite noticeable. They do need to do a better job of holding runners, but that's on the pitchers.

[GD]

No.

 

Exactly.

 

Agreed.

 

I think you just gave ECJF a stroke.

[G-Snarls]

The improvement is quite noticeable. They do need to do a better job of holding runners, but that's on the pitchers.

 

And Navarro of course

[G-Snarls]

Also, we're 8th best in runs scored. That's better than I thought.

 

It's only been the starting pitching really holding us back.

[Angrioter]

Errors are dumb. Use UZR or DRS.

 

R^2 between errors/UZR = negative ::

[ElNik2013]

And Navarro of course

 

 

Sure, but runners have been getting great jumps. Speaking of base stealing, I just saw that Hamilton got caught stealing for the 4th time today and was quite surprised.

[ElNik2013]

Also, we're 8th best in runs scored. That's better than I thought.

 

It's only been the starting pitching really holding us back.

 

 

I think they're now at -1 in run differential after today's win. Basically, a .500 club with some up and downside.

[GD]

Is such a thing even possible? No it isn't.

 

This might be my tiredness showing after the Raptors game but shouldn't it be?

 

As errors go up, UZR goes down. As UZR goes down, errors go up. Negative correlation, isn't it?

 

Maybe I'm just really tired because John Salmons gives me chest pains.

[kgm1]

Can't defense against Walks

[GD]

R-squared for two negatively correlated variables is still positive.

 

I was just being a dick though. You actually can get a negative r-squared in some situations.

 

Oh, right, r-squared, not r. That's what I was missing lol.

 

When can you get a negative r-squared?

[Angrioter]

Is such a thing even possible? No it isn't.

 

Sarcasm.

 

Use the amount of error to measure the defensive contributions is ridiculously an atrocity.

[Angrioter]

This might be my tiredness showing after the Raptors game but shouldn't it be?

 

As errors go up, UZR goes down. As UZR goes down, errors go up. Negative correlation, isn't it?

 

Maybe I'm just really tired because John Salmons gives me chest pains.

 

R-squared for two negatively correlated variables is still positive.

 

I was just being a dick though. You actually can get a negative r-squared in some situations.

 

R ^ 2 can be expressed as an absolute value or inversely proportional.

/ = proportiona

\ = inversely proportional or negative

[Angrioter]

Oh, right, r-squared, not r. That's what I was missing lol.

 

When can you get a negative r-squared?

 

negative^2 = positive lol

[jdmo]

R-squared = 1 - SS_res/SS_tot

 

SS_res<=SS_tot (both are nonnegative)

 

so R-squared (according to this definition) cannot be negative. Though apparently it can be... must be multiple definitions.

[GD]

r squared = r to the power of two lol

 

Yeah, so I wonder what it'd take to get a negative r squared lol. How would you even f*** up that badly?

 

brb gonna go f*** up that badly

[Angrioter]

R-squared = 1 - SS_res/SS_tot

 

SS_res<=SS_tot (both are nonnegative)

 

so R-squared (according to this definition) cannot be negative. Though apparently it can be... must be multiple definitions.

 

R ^ 2 can be expressed as an absolute value.

/ = proportional

\ = inversely proportional

[Deadpool]

Talk to me when they start calling errors on outfielders...

[GD]

13th in DRS with 0.

10th in UZR with 4.4.

22nd in out of zone plays made.

7th in In Zone%

7th in runs from double plays.

8th in runs from throws.

17th in runs from range.

4th in runs saved from errors.

9th in Def.

 

Inside Edge:

21st in remote play% (0.0)

8th in unlikely play% (33.3%)

6th in even play% (66.7%)

10th in likely play% (83.9%)

3rd in routine play% (99.1%)

 

Don't see anywhere where we're the best team defensively. Not a bad team, but excellent either.

 

JFaS, your grammar sometimes lol.

 

Does that include pitchers? Because we have a lot of defensive value from pitchers.

[saskjayfan]

13th in DRS with 0.

10th in UZR with 4.4.

22nd in out of zone plays made.

7th in In Zone%

7th in runs from double plays.

8th in runs from throws.

17th in runs from range.

4th in runs saved from errors.

9th in Def.

 

Inside Edge:

21st in remote play% (0.0)

8th in unlikely play% (33.3%)

6th in even play% (66.7%)

10th in likely play% (83.9%)

3rd in routine play% (99.1%)

 

Don't see anywhere where we're the best team defensively. Not a bad team, but excellent either.

 

defensive statistics...voodoo science

[GD]

defensive statistics...voodoo science

 

maybe instead of complaining you could read up on them

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/defense/

 

they're not really that complicated

[saskjayfan]

maybe instead of complaining you could read up on them

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/defense/

 

they're not really that complicated

 

I've read plenty. It's voodoo science. Am I not entitled to an opinion..lol. You're free believe there's no margin of error in those statistics if you choose.

[saskjayfan]

No one believes this, you can't possible take errors over it though.

 

I never said you simply look at errors....defense is extremely difficult to judge. Errors are not a completely useless statistic, just like advanced defensive statistics not useless....it's a puddle of grey in a world where people desire black and white....two people can very much subjectively argue this team or that team is better defensively using whatever statistics or observations they choose and no one is more right than other. Offensive and pitching statistics present a much clearer picture imo.

[GD]

From a pitcher's perspective, an error is huge. You have no real idea, when watching a play unfold behind you, if a guy was positioned correctly, or how great his first step was, or just how much he ranged to make a play. You see some great plays, and that pumps you up ... but what you see, and what really can throw you off your game, is errors.

 

Has this been studied? The effect of an error (probably focusing on those allowing a batter to reach base) on the subsequent unfolding of that inning v. the outcomes following similar men-on-base/out situations in which a hit or walk was given up, allowing said baserunner? Along those lines, it'd be interesting to see how a PA unfolds following a called ball that was a strike, though this might be even tougher, because you don't know if the pitcher reacted badly to said call (sometimes a pitcher won't disagree, or won't be that upset ... other times it eats at you as you're setting up for the next pitch (or two or three or four).

 

And, no, this is not a statement that errors are the preeminent tool with which to judge defense, so hold back that silliness before it starts.

 

This would make an excellent community post on fangraphs. Subsequent PAs after an error. Great idea.

[G-Snarls]

I would prefer a study on the effect of a finger in the behind while receiving oral (had to be there, in the chat box during the board crash of 2014), but whatever floats your boat ...

 

Again with this???