WTP Hockey Dynasty League

[Maahfaace]

Nice pick, I assumed he was available for the waiver draft.

 

I thought the same thing, what's the criteria again? I thought it was age 24 or previously drafted/signed to an nhl contract

[Spanky99]

I believe you guys are right, unless I'm reading this wrong... the bolded part is contradicting? The red means they're fine, carry on.

 

ETA: Gusev has a contract, I think they're fine.

 

Prospect Draft info:

 

The annual Prospect draft will be held immediately following the conclusion of the real-life NHL Entry Draft (exact date TBD). The draft will consist of 5 rounds and will be conducted on the League Message Board. Draft picks will be assigned at the conclusion of the playoffs (current year only, no future draft picks).

 

Draft order will be determined by the standings of the previous season with a weighted lottery for the top 12 spots. (Non-playoff teams). The final 8 will go by reverse order of finish after the playoffs. Waiver draft will follow this format too but have it's own lottery.

 

Each owner will be allowed a 12 hour window in which to make their selection. After the 12 hour window, that owner may make their selection as soon as they arrive, but the draft will carry on in their absence and subsequent owners may make their selections.

 

Unowned players who have never played an NHL game and have participated in the NHL draft or have a contract with a professional team are eligible to be drafted. Undrafted players from overseas who are coming to the NHL will not be eligible for the prospect draft, but will be waiver draft eligible. For example, Artemi Panarin or Sergei Plotnikov in 2015.

 

Prior to the annual Prospect draft, an owner must cut/clear space on their prospect roster for each draft pick they intend to use. For example, if an owner has 3 draft picks but only 2 open spots on their Prospect Roster, they will only be able to draft 2 players and the third pick will be discarded (unless traded). All prospect cuts must be made roughly one week prior to the annual prospect draft so that draft order can be finalized and unused picks removed from the draft.

[jays4life19]

He was drafted though.

[jays4life19]

He participated in the NHL draft and has never played a game. We win the draft, fellas.

[z3r0s]

The rule was put in place specifically for guys like this. He really shouldn't be eligible for the prospect draft.

I could see the argument however as he WAS drafted and a team did hold his rights this whole time.

 

The intent of the rule was exactly this however.

[Maahfaace]

He definitely should be waiver draft eligible, I assumed whoever holds the 1st waiver pick is pissed if this slips through. I bet most in the league didnt even consider him because they thought the same as I did.

[Spanky99]

You guys think we should have more slots for spects for next season? 12-15... I'd be all for it, but we'd need to have a vote. We spoke of this too late last year, as well, but to start it next season we need to do it now.

[Spanky99]

He definitely should be waiver draft eligible, I assumed whoever holds the 1st waiver pick is pissed if this slips through. I bet most in the league didnt even consider him because they thought the same as I did.

 

This is completely acceptable also, but I don't see a rule being broke, as I said... it's contradicting in itself.

[Abomination]

You guys think we should have more slots for spects for next season? 12-15... I'd be all for it, but we'd need to have a vote. We spoke of this too late last year, as well, but to start it next season we need to do it now.

 

Personally I think it's fine, but I suppose with the reduction in owners, bumping it up by 2 wouldn't be overly problematic.

[z3r0s]

I see your highlight in the your rule thing Spank, but I think that would just complicate things. Guys who are drafted in not the first few rounds often don't sign a contract for a while, and we want them draft eligible.

 

That being said, I agree with you that this dude shouldn't be in the prospect draft. I say this as a guy with no stake in this as I wasn't getting him in the prospect or waiver draft in any circumstance.

[jays4life19]

I don't see how he would not be eligible. He WAS drafted, There's no age thing in the rules. Nothing to see here, move on with the draft.

[Spanky99]

He was drafted though.

 

Haha... he was by Tampa in '12.

[Spanky99]

I don't know fellas, I see no rule being broken, he was drafted and he has a parent team. Unless there's some updated rules somewhere you can argue the merits of an updated rule. They've done nothing wrong, it's not trial by assumption.

[z3r0s]

Really its a spirit vs letter of the law thing. I see the argument while its legal, and its compelling if you are a 'letter' type guy. The spirit was clearly that these dudes are waiver dudes.

 

I have not stake, and I don't care about this as much as something like the DDL.

[jays4life19]

Thank you Spanky.

[z3r0s]

someone (ie not me) should probably edit this rule for future season.

 

This league legit needs a njh-style overload badly. Someone to kick ppl in the ass when things need to happen and doll out judgments on the fly.

[Spanky99]

someone (ie not me) should probably edit this rule for future season.

 

This league legit needs a njh-style overload badly. Someone to kick ppl in the ass when things need to happen and doll out judgments on the fly.

 

Yeah, TCA should set an age cutoff, what do you guys think would be fair on international players 24-25?

[jays4life19]

25 I think would be good for future drafts.

[Spanky99]

Thank you Spanky.

 

Seems pretty clear to me, rules need to be more clear. I don't think you guys should get punished.

[P2F]

Seems pretty clear to me, rules need to be more clear. I don't think you guys should get punished.

 

Agreed. Gusev isn't Artemi Panarin, who was never drafted by an NHL team and was therefore presumably not eligible to be drafted in the prospect draft when he came over to play in the NHL. This isn't even a loophole, it's written right into the official league rules. Gusev is eligible for this draft based on those rules.

[Spanky99]

25 I think would be good for future drafts.

 

Yeah... you could go anywhere in that age, these guys don't get re-drafted.

[Spanky99]

Agreed. Gusev isn't Artemi Panarin, who was never drafted by an NHL team and was therefore presumably not eligible to be drafted in the prospect draft when he came over to play in the NHL. This isn't even a loophole, it's written right into the official league rules. Gusev is eligible for this draft based on those rules.

 

Yeah man, nothing's wrong, they just need to change the second part to an age.

[JG34]

I figured he was Waiver eligible due to his age and that fact he was overseas. See what TCA has to say though.

[Spanky99]

I figured he was Waiver eligible due to his age and that fact he was overseas. See what TCA has to say though.

 

He's the guy, he wrote the rule... lol. We're 1-1...

[Spanky99]

PAUSE THE DRAFT... PAGING TCA!!!

 

 

 

Going to have to pause the draft... folks. Until we here from TCA... it's 2AM and Friday night, soooooo..

[P2F]

Going to have to pause the draft... folks. Until we here from TCA... it's 2AM and Friday night, soooooo...

 

Pretty sure it's been on pause since the draft kicked off lol.

[Spanky99]

Pretty sure it's been on pause since the draft kicked off lol.

 

Zing... no s***, it's been atrocious.

[The Cats Ass]

The Panarin rule was meant to include and older KHL player coming over. Guess it wasn't worded all that great. The word undrafted should have been left out and an age limit put down. The idea was for guys like Gusev to be in the waiver draft, I believe he was even assigned to the Vegas playoff roster for a couple games, but sat in the press box?

[The Cats Ass]

So, what do you guys think about the 4 year AHL rule? And 24 years old for KHL imports?

 

I think KHL imports should hit waivers or something. There's always a chance they are actually talented, coming back to the NHL, etc.

 

Isn't that a good reason to have them in the waiver draft then? It'll add to the depth of the draft. Similar to Asians coming over to MLB during the offseason are in the baseball waiver drafts.

 

 

Or do you mean ones the come over mid-season?

 

Oh right, yes, I misunderstood you. Yeah they should be in the waiver draft, definitely. Could even drop the age down to 23 or over.

 

And anyone that would fit this KHL age rule wouldn't be allowed to be drafted in the prospect draft.

 

Looks like the age thing was discussed but got lost at somepoint over the years

[jays4life19]

Can we confirm that we get to keep Gusev as it was a legal pick based on the written rules and you guys can update them going forward. we really need to move on with the draft.