Jays and Rays discussing a trade involving Encarnacion and Price??

[Candy Maldonado]

Edwin will decline heavily book it

 

He never had Any discipline

 

you're not funny dogg

[DuckDuckGose]

If we acquired Price and he rebounded nicely, couldn't it be plausible that we'd be able to flip him at the deadline or next offseason for more than we could have acquired for Edwin?

 

You are talking an absolute haul for Edwin right now. From the Pirates I'd want Cole + Heredia and R. Martin, from the Orioles Bundy + Wieters; multiple elite pieces. Proven elite hitters on insanely team friendly deals are the rarest and hardest to acquire asset in baseball.

[DuckDuckGose]

I rather trade prospects then Edwin

 

I;d give up Sanchez + Stroman + for Price before Edwin's name even came up.

[Holden Caulfield]

You are talking an absolute haul for Edwin right now. From the Pirates I'd want Cole + Heredia and R. Martin, from the Orioles Bundy + Wieters; multiple elite pieces. Proven elite hitters on insanely team friendly deals are the rarest and hardest to acquire asset in baseball.

 

That's what you want, and maybe that's even what Edwin should be worth, but that doesn't mean it's set in stone that a team would give up those type of players for him.

[G-Snarls]

Edwin will decline heavily book it

 

He never had Any discipline

 

OMG WTF seriously??

 

And the award for worst post of the year goes to...

[Angrioter]

Not replacement Ang, average.

 

The difference between average and replacement level is 20 more adjustments.

[G-Snarls]

I dont care about these stats

 

Price will help the jays win more then a DH

 

Depends on who our DH is if we trade Edwin, and who pitches if we don't get Price

[Angrioter]

Gsnarls...just ban MohYou already. Nobody would be mad.

 

Allows to MohYou express his ideas...............We need some fun.

[GeorgiaPeach]

EE is the third best true talent hitter in the game behind Cabrera and Trout. Price is NOT elite.

 

What's the sample size you're using?

[DuckDuckGose]

Can you expand on the pitcher-hitter comparison? Also, how is 186 innings of 3.03 FIP only 12 runs better than the average pitcher? I'm genuinely curious.

 

You know what I can't because it's not true. I forgot that ERA- and wRC+ were a % and not runs, a huge mistake. EE produced 45% more runs than average and Price let up 12% less runs than average. To get the true value in terms of runs you'd have to do more math. You can get both runs over replacement easily by multiply WAR by 10 but, a replacement level hitter and pitcher are different things.

[DuckDuckGose]

Not replacement Ang, average.

 

I made a bonehead mistake.

[bzapple]

OMG WTF seriously??

 

And the award for worst post of the year goes to...

 

Ban him and I'll forgive you for posting this most likely BS rumour and making everyone go crazy.

[mitchf]

AA acquired Dickey because he valued his contract.

 

I mean sure AA may think Price is a more valuable piece, but he'd be out of character to acquire 1 year of Price.

[Angrioter]

So DDG was not lying, he was 12 runs above average in RA9.

 

League and park adjustments; required innings?

[JFD]

Why not trade Bautista...makes so much more sense!

 

because everyone knows he's on the decline and has little value.

[DuckDuckGose]

That's what you want, and maybe that's even what Edwin should be worth, but that doesn't mean it's set in stone that a team would give up those type of players for him.

 

How does a team like the Pirates add a hitter of Edwin's talent under payroll another way? There aren't going to be any Kemp's going to Pitt without huge money being eaten.

[Holden Caulfield]

I can just envision Price having a great first half and us being able to trade him at the deadline (when teams are typically more desperate for pitchers rather than hitters) for a package infinitely better than we ever could have realistically gotten for Edwin.

[GeorgiaPeach]

You can't use pitcher and player WAR that way, it's not a comparison tool in that matter.

 

Price only saved 12 runs less than the average pitcher last year. Edwin produced 45 more runs on offense than the average hitter. One is an elite talent level, the other is not.

 

And Brady Anderson is one of the greatest players off all time.

[JFD]

Gsnarls...just ban MohYou already. Nobody would be mad.

 

you're seriously obsessed about this lol

[Angrioter]

AA admitted has agreement with several agents to make sure they get back to him before client signs. Said may not go into Jan.

[Holden Caulfield]

How does a team like the Pirates add a hitter of Edwin's talent under payroll another way? There aren't going to be any Kemp's going to Pitt without huge money being eaten.

 

They don't. It would go against everything the Pirates have built to trade away a player like Cole for a player like Encarnacion.

[DuckDuckGose]

E5 is just a dh easy to replace

 

A starter that will give you 200lp year in year out is hard to find

 

Last season 36 pitchers threw more than 200 innings (Price wasn't one of them), 18 players had a wRC+ over 140 -- seriously, which skill is rarer?

[DuckDuckGose]

And Brady Anderson is one of the greatest players off all time.

 

I'd love to see you defend the Edwin-Anderson comp, baseless premise.

[Angrioter]

[G-Snarls]

AA admitted has agreement with several agents to make sure they get back to him before client signs. Said may not go into Jan.

 

Now THIS I like the sounds of

 

Gotta pay to play this off season I'm afraid

[DuckDuckGose]

They don't. It would go against everything the Pirates have built to trade away a player like Cole for a player like Encarnacion.

 

No, it actually wouldn't. They are trying to build a contender and they haven't developed an Edwin and don't have one on the doorstep. If they need another bat to get them over the hump and they need to do it in a cost controlled manner then they will most likely deal from a strength, like young pitching, to fill the gap.

[Sammy225]

 

Of course the Dodgers are. Who are they going to send them lol.

[Angrioter]

Of course the Dodgers are. Who are they going to send them lol.

 

Puig for Price.

 

Do it Colletti

[KingKat]

Of course the Dodgers are. Who are they going to send them lol.

 

Yasiel Puig. He doesn't respect the game enough.

[DuckDuckGose]

Of course the Dodgers are. Who are they going to send them lol.

 

I can see AA and the Jays expanding the deal and sending prospects to TB for Kemp....