Changes coming bids for Japan players (Tanaka)

[Angrioter]

Changes coming to MLB bids for Japan players

 

 

The MLB Commissioners Office and Nippon Professional Baseball are closing in on a posting agreement that the sides are optimistic will be in place by Nov. 1, two sources told The Post.

 

The best pitcher in Japan, Masahiro Tanaka, is expected to be posted this offseason, and the Yankees are likely to be aggressive in trying to win the post.

 

There had been speculation the system would undergo radical changes, with perhaps even the teams with the three highest posting bids all gaining the rights to negotiate with the players. I have been told there will be alterations in the process, but still only one team will win the post and have exclusive negotiating rights.

 

It is possible, as a way to give the player more power to chose his destination, he might get to pick a singular team from, say, the top two or three bidders.

 

The posting system was created mainly to give Japanese teams a way to get paid if they agree to let a player go prior to free agency (Japanese players need nine years of service to gain free agency to come to the States). In the process up to now, interested MLB teams gave a sealed bid and the high bidder was awarded an exclusive 30-day period to sign the player. If no deal was struck, the player stayed in Japan and no second American team received an opportunity to sign the player.

 

In the most significant recent examples, the Red Sox, with a bid of $51.1 million, won the rights to negotiate with Daisuke Matsuzaka and the Rangers, with a bid of $51.7 million, won the rights to negotiate with Yu Darvish. Teams still have to sign the player after winning the post. Both MLB and the Players Association were hoping a system could be forged in which the post was not quite as expensive as a way to keep the money here for players.

 

The winning post does not count toward salary and thus is not calculated in for purposes of figuring out the luxury tax payroll. That is one reason Tanaka — beyond talent — entices the Yankees, who are trying to get under the $189 million payroll threshold for 2014.

 

http://nypost.com/2013/10/26/changes-coming-to-mlb-bids-for-japan-players/

[Angrioter]

 

Yu Darvish drama Vol. 2

[G-Snarls]

Oh god...

[G-Snarls]

Yankees will win this, I have no doubt

 

They can bid 60+M if they want to because they only care about money that counts towards the luxury tax and that won't. They'll win the bid and sign him for a reasonable 15M per year.

[Sammy225]

Yankees will win this, I have no doubt

 

They can bid 60+M if they want to because they only care about money that counts towards the luxury tax and that won't. They'll win the bid and sign him for a reasonable 15M per year.

 

Exactly I see no scenario where Yanks do not win this I can see them spending a ridiculous amount of money and be at least 20 mil ahead of the next suitor. Not going to be even close to getting my hopes up that anyone else let alone the jays will win the bid.

[kgm1]

Exactly I see no scenario where Yanks do not win this I can see them spending a ridiculous amount of money and be at least 20 mil ahead of the next suitor. Not going to be even close to getting my hopes up that anyone else let alone the jays will win the bid.

 

Last estimates I read on the posting fee will be around 75mil. But he will get less than Darvish salary wise. Expect about 6/54 so about 9 mil a year toward salary cap

[G-Snarls]

Last estimates I read on the posting fee will be around 75mil. But he will get less than Darvish salary wise. Expect about 6/54 so about 9 mil a year toward salary cap

 

Really? Team getting more than the player doesn't make any sense to me. He's only what 25 years old? They're getting prime years.

Edited November 14, 2013 by G-Snarls

[kgm1]

Really? Team getting more than they player doesn't make any sense to me. He's only what 25 years old? They're getting prime years.

Yea the new agreement doesn't,t help the players at all . They still get screwed

[Angrioter]

[Angrioter]

[KingKat]

 

Not good. It would force the Yankees to shark around for pitchers to acquire in trades just like AA plans to do which will then drive up the costs. Better to have the Yankees blow their load on Tanaka like they planned all along.

[KingKat]

I would prefer we blew our load for Tanaka. So we dont trade our top prospects for already overpaid vets like we did last year.

 

The Jays just don't have that kind of money lying around.

[Abomination]

Not good. It would force the Yankees to shark around for pitchers to acquire in trades just like AA plans to do which will then drive up the costs. Better to have the Yankees blow their load on Tanaka like they planned all along.

 

I'm not sure the Yankees have much in the way of young assets to drive up any costs via trade. If they did manage to get someone, it would probably empty what's left of their system.

[G-Snarls]

The Jays just don't have that kind of money lying around.

 

I don't know how Rogers would feel about a one time 60+M payout. To the company it's chump change but to the baseball operation it's not. Yeah I can't see it.

[Abomination]

I don't know how Rogers would feel about a one time 60+M payout. To the company it's chump change but to the baseball operation it's not. Yeah I can't see it.

 

I don't think they'd do it. Remember also that they'll be paying out a pretty good amount soon for the new team complex in Florida too.

[KingKat]

Their system had a terrible year but the Jays don't have that much either and because of payroll parameters they can less afford to give up young talent (although we saw last year that it won't stop them). That being said it suddenly occurs to me that the Yankees could game the system by simply offering ridiculously long deals that bring the AAV down. They also might be able to find reasonably good deals by willfully forfeitting their draft picks for the lesser comp players.

 

I wonder what happens when they make deals like the A.J. Burnett deal with Pittsburgh? Did the money they gave Pittsburgh still count against the luxury tax? If not than flat out paying teams to take their players might be another way to game the system. Tanaka is the most above the table solution to their predicament but if push comes to shove they might tell Selig to screw it and exploit every dirty trick they can find.

[G-Snarls]

I don't think they'd do it. Remember also that they'll be paying out a pretty good amount soon for the new team complex in Florida too.

 

1/2 of 100M I hear? I wonder how much of that comes from ownership vs other sources (local business/government/etc)

[z3r0s]

Get this done MLB/NPB... my DDL team and its #2 waiver pick depend on it.

[z3r0s]

You might have to settle for Guerrero.

 

I don't like this.

[KingKat]

When the Jays were posting for Darvish, it was said the money doesn't come out of baseball ops

 

That may have been said but it makes no sense. Where else would it come from?

[The Cats Ass]

Rogers advertising funds. There'd be millions of more eyes watching each of dervish's/ Tanaka's starts. Those eyes are worth money, even if they aren't located in north america. 1 billion more viewers a year? 30 million Chinese per start

[GD]

Rogers advertising funds. There'd be millions of more eyes watching each of dervish's/ Tanaka's starts. Those eyes are worth money, even if they aren't located in north america. 1 billion more viewers a year? 30 million Chinese per start

 

How has Darvish affected the Rangers' TV numbers?

[ElNik2013]

What does China have to do with Japanese players?

[G-Snarls]

Some inside scoop from the NY Times about the meetings between MLB and Nippon league:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/15/sports/baseball/dispute-jeopardizes-new-posting-system-for-japanese-players.html?ref=sports&_r=0

[G-Snarls]

As for the rest of the article that's completely different from links I've read in the past? It was supposed to be a vote on the new proposal of the 3 highest bidders and they all had a chance to negotiate with the player posted, this way it was more fair for the player and the 3 highest bidders? I don't know the MLB is f***ed. The Japanese team doesn't give a crap who signs him, as long as they get compensated. *sighs*

 

Yeah this thing is just all over the place. And should have been finalized before the WS and Japanese championship were done.

[Angrioter]

This is the quote I'm referring to:

 

"After the deal fell apart in Thursday’s meeting, Manfred told reporters that the delay by the Japanese in approving M.L.B.’s proposal allowed for the divisions over the new posting system to emerge. Under the proposal submitted to the Japanese, the major league team with the winning bid would pay the average of the top two bids."

 

It was supposed to be the 3 highest bidders and paying the average of the top 2, than they all had a chance to negotiate? This here just says top bidder, what's the f***ing difference then? It just helps the top bidder pay less, lol.

 

1st Yankees 50M bid

2nd BlueJays 10M bid

Avg (50M + 10M)/2 = 30M

 

[G-Snarls]

I'm pissed now, I truly thought the Jays had a chance. Faaaaaaaaawwwwwkkkkk!!

 

Sucks. The prospect of signing a 25 year old pitcher who projects as probably a solid #2 starter, for just money, no prospects and no draft pick loss is certainly appealing to this team right now.

[ace3113]

Wait, so does Tanaka still get to choose where he wants to go? Or is it top bid wins the negotiating rights period. I think that's the Jays best chance, cause I don't see any way Tanaka chooses us over some of the other teams if he has a choice.

[ace3113]

From that linked article, it's top bidder.

 

Not that I think it will be us, but it would be our best chance.

[ace3113]

I think vice versa.......

 

It makes sense the other way too, because it means we don't even have to have the top bid to win, provided he likes our team/org/city better. Having said that I wouldn't like our chances. I mean Uehara didn't even want to come here.