Bullpen Pieces , Options

[kgm1]

Can anyone tell me who has options left on this list . Obviously our best trading chips would be a package of a couple of good relievers under cost control .

These guys don't have options .

RHP Todd Redmond, RHP Esmil Rogers, RHP Dustin McGowan, RHP Jeremy Jeffress, RHP Neil Wagner, LHP Luis Perez, Casey Janssen , Brett Cecil , R Romero

 

I,m Assuming Loup , Jenkins , Happ , Drabek , Storey , and Carreno have options .

 

Not sure on Delabar , Santos , and Lincoln .

 

I was surprised on Wagner . Anyone help me out .

 

Would like to know who you would trade .

[DuckDuckGose]

Check out this sticky thread;

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/83-Toronto-Blue-Jays-Contracts-and-Payroll

 

[jaysblue]

Any BP piece should be on the table in trades since it's an area where the Blue Jays have depth. They can't keep all those names heading into 2014 so AA better turn some of them into assets.

 

I hope they keep McGowan and Jeffress, which I think they will since their stuff out of the bullpen is just nasty. I don't see them giving up on a arm like Jeffress and they've stuck with McGowan this long. You really only need two lefties in the pen, so Loup and Cecil are just fine. I could see them moving maybe Janssen or Delabar, which I wouldn't have a problem with since I'd be confident in Santos stepping into the closers role. If they trade Janssen then I doubt they move anyone other key late inning guys.

 

They will likely let Redmond battle it out for the 5th starters spot out of ST, so I don't see them making a decision on him until ST. I don't think anyone will touch Romero, so if he's let go I'm sure he can be brought back easily on a minor league deal.

 

The Jays could use a long man, someone who was like Carlos V, so I'm sure Rogers is in the discussion of being kept for those purposes. He's proven he can be effective in low leverage situations and could spot start. He's capable of going on a 4-5 start stretch where he's decent as we've seen with him this season and with Carlos V in the past.

 

It's just finding spots for these guys on the roster when all is said and done.

 

Bullpen (if the Jays trade Janssen):

 

LR Rogers

MR McGowan

MR Jeffress

LHP Loup

LHP Cecil

SU Delabar

CL Santos

[kgm1]

That page has salary options but doesn't have player options . What relievers can be optioned to AAA next year without passing waivers is what I,m looking for

[G-Snarls]

Regardless AA absolutely HAS to trade away some bullpen arms. Too many to keep juggling a and trying to get through waivers etc. And there are teams who will want them.

[kgm1]

If You let Romero Go then youhave to pay him and he is free to go to any team . Trust me , He won't be coming back to the Jays if released .

[kgm1]

Regardless AA absolutely HAS to trade away some bullpen arms. Too many to keep juggling a and trying to get through waivers etc. And there are teams who will want them.

 

 

Agreed but who do they have options on ? Obviously we keep those guys as we can send them to AAA as depth.

[Abomination]

I don't think anyone will touch Romero, so if he's let go I'm sure he can be brought back easily on a minor league deal.

 

There's zero reason to do this. We still have to pay Romero his full salary (minus the major league minimum) if we release him, so we may as well just outright him to the minors and let him try to right himself.

[TheHurl]

Cecil 09, 11, 12 No options

Delabar 12 Two options

Drabek 11, I don't think he burned one this year as pitchers are allowed to rehab for 30 days and he was down there for 29. so 2 options

Happ 07, 08 has one remaining

Hutchison 12, 13 (so stupid to burn his second by 15 days...but that's our org). 1 remaining.

Janssen (over 5 years service time, can decline a demotion)

Jeffress 10, 11, 12 no options

Jenkins 13...2 remaining

Lincoln 10, 11, 13 no options

Loup all three remaining

McGowan who knows anymore...too many rehabs over time. He'd be able to refuse if he has one

Nolin 13 (so stupid) 2 left

Luis Perez 09, 10, 11 none

Juan Perez 06, 07, 11 none left

Redmond will have to do some research on if he was added to the 40 in Atlanta, I imagine he's got 1 left

Rogers 08, 09, 10 none left

Santos 06, 07. 08 none

Storey 13 who really cares though.

Weber should have 1 left I think.

[G-Snarls]

Cecil 09, 11, 12 No options

Delabar 12 Two options

Drabek 11, I don't think he burned one this year as pitchers are allowed to rehab for 30 days and he was down there for 29. so 2 options

Happ 07, 08 has one remaining

Hutchison 12, 13 (so stupid to burn his second by 15 days...but that's our org). 1 remaining.

Janssen (over 5 years service time, can decline a demotion)

Jeffress 10, 11, 12 no options

Jenkins 13...2 remaining

Lincoln 10, 11, 13 no options

Loup all three remaining

McGowan who knows anymore...too many rehabs over time. He'd be able to refuse if he has one

Nolin 13 (so stupid) 2 left

Luis Perez 09, 10, 11 none

Juan Perez 06, 07, 11 none left

Redmond will have to do some research on if he was added to the 40 in Atlanta, I imagine he's got 1 left

Rogers 08, 09, 10 none left

Santos 06, 07. 08 none

Storey 13 who really cares though.

Weber should have 1 left I think.

 

Awesome, thanks

 

More guys with options than I expected, but a lot of them are clearly MLB caliber and therefore their options don't matter as much (Delabar, Rogers, Santos)

 

It's guys like Jeffress and the Perez's that you wish you could stash in AAA

[kgm1]

According to the toronto Star article Redmond and McGowan have no options left .

 

Burning options on Hutch and Nolin was just sheer stupidity

I,m assuming Carreno has only 1 left

[kgm1]

So a package of 3 good relievers should net us good value in the right trade .

I would deal one of Janssen/Santos , Cecil/ L Perez , and add 1 more guy . That to a team that lacks a back end of the BP would be worth a lot.

[G-Snarls]

So a package of 3 good relievers should net us good value in the right trade .

I would deal one of Janssen/Santos , Cecil/ L Perez , and add 1 more guy . That to a team that lacks a back end of the BP would be worth a lot.

 

Think it's worth Elvis Andrus?

[kgm1]

Think it's worth Elvis Andrus?

 

I,m thinking young starter . I seriously doubt Texas moves Elvis . They will move Kinsler to LF Stupid not to and let Profar play 2nd

[jaysblue]

The Jays should be on the phone with Arizona. I'm sure Kevin Towers would love one or two of the Jays BP arms, especially with the way their BP has struggled this season.

[jaysblue]

I,m thinking young starter . I seriously doubt Texas moves Elvis . They will move Kinsler to LF Stupid not to and let Profar play 2nd

 

Arizona is likely the best fit then. Kevin Towers would trade someone like McCarthy or Cahill for a deal around some relievers.

[kgm1]

Arizona is likely the best fit then. Kevin Towers would trade someone like McCarthy or Cahill for a deal around some relievers.

 

I agree Sil , Was thinking the same team but both are going to be salary dumps by AZ so won't cost us as much . With a package of 3 could we also get a Holmberg or better ?

[jaysblue]

I agree Sil , Was thinking the same team but both are going to be salary dumps by AZ so won't cost us as much . With a package of 3 could we also get a Holmberg or better ?

 

Doubt the Jays would be able to get anyone better like Skaggs, Bradley, Corbin, Delgado, Miley etc since those guys still haven't hit arbitration yet. Hudson would be intriguing if he was healthy, though relying on a starter who has had two serious injuries over the past two seasons and likely won't pitch at all in 2014 is not the way to go. Towers likes trading his starters when they are in their arbitration years and start to get expensive (just look at Haren a couple of years ago, and even Ian Kennedy this season).

 

I could see McCarthy or Cahill being shopped heavily this offseason. McCarthy has one year left on his contract and Cahill starts to get a bump in salary over the next couple of seasons (2014: $7.95 million; 2015: $12.25 million; 2016: $13 million (mutual option), 2017: $13.5 million (mutual option). We know how AA loves those options in contracts. I don't see Arizona wanting to keep Cahill around when he starts getting that kind of money, which is why I think he's next to go.

 

Other players that could interest the Jays are maybe Chris Owings or one of Arizona's outfielders like Pollock.

 

If the Jays shop some relievers, I'm sure they can acquire Cahill. Joe Thatcher was the main piece coming back for Kennedy if I recall this summer.

[kgm1]

I firmly believe they shop both McCarthy and Cahill . Neither are top of rotation and AZ want that money off the books so the cost isn't great . Cahill walks too many but he is a ground ball pitcher and IF (Hell not if we MUST) we improve the defense He would be the guy i chased .

[jaysblue]

I firmly believe they shop both McCarthy and Cahill . Neither are top of rotation and AZ want that money off the books so the cost isn't great . Cahill walks too many but he is a ground ball pitcher and IF (Hell not if we MUST) we improve the defense He would be the guy i chased .

 

Looking at the Blue Jays this offseason, I don't think they get that huge of a bump in payroll where they're able to go out and sign big names like Garza, McCann, Santana, Tanaka etc like many people on here are thinking. I don't think during AA's tenure we've seen him sign a big name free agent. That could be a repeating trend this offseason again.

 

AA likely will try and acquire a starter through trade, and I think Cahill fits the bill in terms of the Jays strategy this offseason. Cahill is still young, under club control (possibly until 2018 with the options) and gives the Jays a durable arm that could provide 200 quality innings, which is what AA has stated numerous times he is looking for. Obviously, Cahill isn't a No. 1 or 2 starter by any stretch of the imagination, though he can settle in as a dependable middle of the rotation starter. His BB rates and low K totals are worrisome, though he is a ground ball pitcher so the Jays better have solid defense behind him. In terms of the price, the Jays can likely trade some BP arms and a C level prospect for Cahill which wouldn't be that much, especially considering the Jays are trading from an area of strength which is their bullpen.

 

I just don't see the Jays in on Tanaka, or Garza since that would be likely out of their price range. I wouldn't mind Lincecum or Ubaldo though I doubt the Jays sign them. As for acquiring an ace through trade, I doubt they have the pieces to land a David Price or Chris Sale, and I doubt the Phillies move Lee and have a fire sale just yet. In terms of the asking price, contract, and type of pitcher, I think Cahill is the type of pitcher AA is targeting (someone who is durable and could give the Jays 200 innings). Some people on here even suggested signing Bartolo Colon to a one-year deal which wouldn't be that bad as well, and is something the Jays would still be able to do even if they traded for Cahill.

 

Possible rotation:

 

Dickey

Buehrle

Cahill

Morrow

FA signing like Colon or Hutch/Happ/Redmond/Drabek etc.

[GD]

Cahill really isn't a difference maker.

[kgm1]

Looking at the Blue Jays this offseason, I don't think they get that huge of a bump in payroll where they're able to go out and sign big names like Garza, McCann, Santana, Tanaka etc like many people on here are thinking. I don't think during AA's tenure we've seen him sign a big name free agent. That could be a repeating trend this offseason again.

 

AA likely will try and acquire a starter through trade, and I think Cahill fits the bill in terms of the Jays strategy this offseason. Cahill is still young, under club control (possibly until 2018 with the options) and gives the Jays a durable arm that could provide 200 quality innings, which is what AA has stated numerous times he is looking for. Obviously, Cahill isn't a No. 1 or 2 starter by any stretch of the imagination, though he can settle in as a dependable middle of the rotation starter. His BB rates and low K totals are worrisome, though he is a ground ball pitcher so the Jays better have solid defense behind him. In terms of the price, the Jays can likely trade some BP arms and a C level prospect for Cahill which wouldn't be that much, especially considering the Jays are trading from an area of strength which is their bullpen.

 

I just don't see the Jays in on Tanaka, or Garza since that would be likely out of their price range. I wouldn't mind Lincecum or Ubaldo though I doubt the Jays sign them. As for acquiring an ace through trade, I doubt they have the pieces to land a David Price or Chris Sale, and I doubt the Phillies move Lee and have a fire sale just yet. In terms of the asking price, contract, and type of pitcher, I think Cahill is the type of pitcher AA is targeting (someone who is durable and could give the Jays 200 innings). Some people on here even suggested signing Bartolo Colon to a one-year deal which wouldn't be that bad as well, and is something the Jays would still be able to do even if they traded for Cahill.

 

Possible rotation:

 

Dickey

Buehrle

Cahill

Morrow

FA signing like Colon or Hutch/Happ/Redmond/Drabek etc.

 

I totally agree Sil . other than having Morrow up at #2 till he gets hurt if he even starts the season . I see only 1 guy coming in and Cahill makes the most sense . I would hope to have Happ and Hutch and Drabek at AAA with one of Rogers or Redmond winning the 5th spot and the other winning the long man spot in the BP .

 

As far as Big name FA,s I'm not going to hold my breath . Firmly believe it won't happen but I do really want Ruiz . I would overpay to the tune of giving him 3 years if that is what it took

[jaysblue]

Cahill really isn't a difference maker.

 

I think many on here would agree, though he's likely one of the more realistic SP trade options out there for the Blue Jays. Kevin Towers loves BP arms (more than AA) so both teams lineup well as trading partners. As for AA, he's stated numerous times on the radio that he wants another durable starter that could give the Jays 200 + innings, and Cahill fits that bill. He's under club control for two more years or more with the options and would give the Jays a decent middle of the rotation starter who has age on his side still. He was worth 2.9 WAR last season.

 

I just think the Jays chances of signing a pitcher like Garza, Tanaka or trading for someone like Sale or Lee are pretty low since they would have to increase payroll significantly and/or gut their farm. Plus, this team still has other needs to address (catcher, second base, etc).

[GD]

I don't think the DBacks would trade him, they've been looking for a starter and he's on a great contract.

 

Lance Lynn plz

[jaysblue]

I totally agree Sil . other than having Morrow up at #2 till he gets hurt if he even starts the season . I see only 1 guy coming in and Cahill makes the most sense . I would hope to have Happ and Hutch and Drabek at AAA with one of Rogers or Redmond winning the 5th spot and the other winning the long man spot in the BP .

 

As far as Big name FA,s I'm not going to hold my breath . Firmly believe it won't happen but I do really want Ruiz . I would overpay to the tune of giving him 3 years if that is what it took

 

Even if the Jays traded for Cahill, they would still have enough money to go out and sign someone like Bartolo Colon for a reasonable one-year contract if they really wanted too. You can never have enough pitching.

 

I have Ruiz pegged as a favourite to land in Toronto this offseason Ken. I think he makes the most sense since McCann will cost way too much, and I'm not sure Salty will be worth the contract he'll get on the open market. Ruiz is the type of catcher the Jays need after the circus they went through with JPA over the past three years.

[GD]

Even if the Jays traded for Cahill, they would still have enough money to go out and sign someone like Bartolo Colon for a reasonable one-year contract if they really wanted too. You can never have enough pitching.

 

I have a strong feeling this would go absolutely horribly.

 

Ruiz resigns in Philly if he doesn't come here, methinks.

[ElNik2013]

The way I see it is that since it's unlikely they get a #1 or 2 type starter, they should focus on improving the C and 2B positions. There are some good bullpen pieces that could attract some interest. I'd be willing to deal 2 of Janssen, Santos and Delabar as well as Cecil.

 

No matter how you slice it, in order for the Blue Jays to contend in 2014, they'll need Cabrera and Morrow to be healthy and play/pitch well. They'll need Dickey to pitch close to his 2010-2012 level. They'll need Bautista and Encarnacion to be healthy, Rasmus to have a similar year and Lawrie to be healthy and hit well. Improving at C and 2B will be key.

[jaysblue]

I don't think the DBacks would trade him, they've been looking for a starter and he's on a great contract.

 

Lance Lynn plz

 

I wouldn't object to Lance Lynn at all, though what do you think he would cost?

 

The D'Backs have had a history of trading pitchers when they start to get expensive. Just look at Ian Kennedy this summer. Kevin Towers values bullpen arms highly, since most of his trades have centred on acquiring relievers like David Hernandez or Joe Thatcher. The D'Backs have a lot of depth in their rotation and I'm sure they don't want to be paying Cahill $12 million in 2015. They either move McCarthy or Cahill this offseason (not sure about both), though I'd rather have Cahill since he's far more durable.

[jaysblue]

I have a strong feeling this would go absolutely horribly.

 

Ruiz resigns in Philly if he doesn't come here, methinks.

 

I wouldn't feel comfortable just bringing in Colon this offseason and expecting him to be an ace or No. 2 starter, especially at his age. Though if the Jays went out and acquired someone like Cahill or Lynn, then why not roll the dice on Colon who likely wouldn't cost that much to strengthen the rotation even more?

 

As for Ruiz, I agree he'll resign with Philly if the Jays don't offer him a better deal.

[GD]

I wouldn't object to Lance Lynn at all, though what do you think he would cost?

 

The D'Backs have had a history of trading pitchers when they start to get expensive. Just look at Ian Kennedy this summer. Kevin Towers values bullpen arms highly, since most of his trades have centred on acquiring relievers like David Hernandez or Joe Thatcher. The D'Backs have a lot of depth in their rotation and I'm sure they don't want to be paying Cahill $12 million in 2015. They either move McCarthy or Cahill this offseason (not sure about both), though I'd rather have Cahill since he's far more durable.

 

I don't know, honestly. Maybe D.J. Davis?

 

I'm sure they'd rather move McCarthy.

 

I wouldn't feel comfortable just bringing in Colon this offseason and expecting him to be an ace or No. 2 starter, especially at his age. Though if the Jays went out and acquired someone like Cahill or Lynn, then why not roll the dice on Colon who likely wouldn't cost that much to strengthen the rotation even more?

 

As for Ruiz, I agree he'll resign with Philly if the Jays don't offer him a better deal.

 

Colon is old and he's getting a stupid amount of help from O.co with his HR/FB, he'd give up 25 homers in Rogers Center. No thanks.