Stoeten on Gibbons - This time he is 100% correct

[Olerud363]

Another Gibby thread, but this is more to discuss the different types of insufferable sourpusses, I truly believe the "fire-gibby" sourpusses are a very different breed then the "fire-beeston-clean-house" sourpusses. They are all insufferable mind you, but very different creatures.

 

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2013/08/26/should-he-stay-or-should-he-go/

 

I agree with him completely here. Even though I am an insufferable sourpuss I have never wanted Gibby fired at all. I said for a while fire Beeston, make AA sweat (as they search for a new president, but eventually keep AA), keep Gibby for as long as it takes to get him some good young players, new President has one stipuliation keep Gibby... otherwise do whatever you want.

 

I just hope Stoeten realizes that the "fire Gibby" people are completely different then the "fire Beeston" people. Maybe we are all crazy. But the "fire Gibby" people tend to think that the problem is character, work ethic, "clutch", discipline, winning attitude, hustle, sac bunts, etc. etc.

 

The fire Beeston people tend to think the problem is "buy high sell low", player development, on base percentage, analytics, aging curves, advanced injury analysis and prevention, etc. etc. We view Beeston as an old road apple that is influenced by a group of his old crony friends and scouts. We think Cito Gaston may still have Beeston's ear.

 

Whether it's all nuts or not... "Fire Gibby" is completely different then "Fire Beeston".

[Dick_Pole]

What I don't understand is that Beeston was around for:

 

Barfield for Leiter, trading an established star and fan fav for a young pitcher.

Trading popular and over rated Junior Felix for unloved Angel Devon White

Alomar/Carter, Fernandez/McGriff deal.

Convinced Clemens to sign here, no matter how many shady promises he made outside of the collective bargaining agreement.

 

He was around during a time when the Jays made all the right moves and had a very progressive philosophy. What happened this time around. Was that just all Gillick?

[ziggery]

Just look at their records since '93. Any questions?