Pitching Stat

[Save Dtieb]

Or a balls turned into strikes. Would count foul balls.

[Save Dtieb]

Ok. Fangraphs is the like Simpsons. No matter what, it's already been thought of.

[Save Dtieb]

For kicks.

 

Masahiro Tanaka: ERA 1.20. FIP 2.25

Kenta Maeda: ERA 2.14 FIP 3.00

Chihiro Kaneko: ERA 1.92 FIP 2.48

 

I cannot do xFIP because I can't find the amount of FB given up.

[Boxcar]

1. Cabrera did deserve the MVP. He won the freaking triple crown.

 

2. I guess you think batters should be evaluated on things only they can control. We should judge batters based on identical pitches from a pitching machine and see where they hit it. Stolen bases should be about speed only, cuz thats all they control.

 

You could have arbitrarily picked three other offensive stats, called it the triple crown, and then Trout would have won it. That's number one. Secondly, there isn't a precedent for triple crown = MVP. It's a stupid way to decide. Cabrera is having a better year this year but people are making a smaller deal about it now. He and Trout are close enough in performance that those nerdy SABR geeks won't have a big problem with Cabrera winning.

[Boxcar]

You get trolled really, really easily.

 

Says the guy who is even easier to troll.

[Abomination]

Kind of off topic but not really: Is the pitcher's ability to get more called strikes on pitches outside the zone because of umpire favouritism a skill? Or is it luck?

 

Is it due to ball movement? If so, it could be both!

[GD]

Kind of off topic but not really: Is the pitcher's ability to get more called strikes on pitches outside the zone because of umpire favouritism a skill? Or is it luck?

 

I would think it's a mix of both.

 

Cabrera is having a better year this year but people are making a smaller deal about it now. He and Trout are close enough in performance that those nerdy SABR geeks won't have a big problem with Cabrera winning.

 

I didn't have a problem with Cabrera winning last year, either. He was excellent and certainly deserving. Yeah, Trout was more deserving, but the most annoying thing was probably people like Mitch Albom.

 

http://www.baseballnation.com/2012/11/16/3654460/mike-trout-miguel-cabrera-stats-mvp That's probably my favorite article on the matter.

[John_Havok]

I brought this on myself for doing a little thinking on my own but I would love to read that essay. Just because mine doesn't look like an ERA stat, doesn't mean, it doesn't mean anything at all. It puts hits, earned runs, and walks into a simple number. Steve Delabar has a higher number because he will walk a ton of guys, and get out of the jam with strikeouts. And it'll come back to bite him. Which it did recently.

 

I haven't read the whole thread, but basically your proposed stat assumes that the pitcher is 100% responsible for every hit and earned run, and defense has no responsibility. That's just not true.

 

FIP and xFIP on the flip side take defense out of the equation entirely, which is also not 100% correct, but probably closer to it.

 

Dave Cameron on fangraphs said in a chat recently that maybe 30% RA9 and 70% FIP weighting is probably closer to accurate.

[Save Dtieb]

I haven't read the whole thread, but basically your proposed stat assumes that the pitcher is 100% responsible for every hit and earned run, and defense has no responsibility. That's just not true.

 

FIP and xFIP on the flip side take defense out of the equation entirely, which is also not 100% correct, but probably closer to it.

 

Dave Cameron on fangraphs said in a chat recently that maybe 30% RA9 and 70% FIP weighting is probably closer to accurate.

 

So somehow, to include a pitchers fielders, where the ball is hit is significant, and that the fielders UZR (or something), should be factored in. So a hit to left field with Melky there would be worth less, than if that same ball was hit to left field with Rajai there. But only if the ball was hit within Rajai's range. An out becomes a hit simply because of who was the fielder. I understand, and yes, this should be part of the equation.

 

So you'd literally have to look up every hit a pitcher as given up, what zone the ball landed in, who the fielder was in that zone and where the fielder's range fits in correlation to where the ball landed.

 

So that 0.884 value for a single, for example, could fluctuate depending on where the ball was hit who the fielder was. The value of the hit could be devalued by a matter of a couple feet. A Fielder's yellow zone to red zone.

[Abomination]

So you'd literally have to look up every hit a pitcher as given up, what zone the ball landed in, who the fielder was in that zone and where the fielder's range fits in correlation to where the ball landed.

 

Even worse, to do it right you have know the trajectory of the ball and the placement of the fielder before it was hit (and this is information we won't get until the introduction of fieldfx).

[Save Dtieb]

yeah, you'd have to consider hang time and speed of ball after contact. plus the fielder speed from point a to b. it's complex, but it can be done. at some point, every inch of the field will have an assigned value depending on who the fielders are.

[GD]

yeah, you'd have to consider hang time and speed of ball after contact. plus the fielder speed from point a to b. it's complex, but it can be done. at some point, every inch of the field will have an assigned value depending on who the fielders are.

 

I don't know if I find the idea of this over-complicated or tantalizing.

[CHRIS]

That's probably my favorite article on the matter.

 

I really like Brisbee; he writes a lot of good stuff.

[John_Havok]

I don't know if I find the idea of this over-complicated or tantalizing.

 

It's way too complex, and also trying to quantify everything as it happens will probably drive people crazy since many thing that happen are not repeatable skills, and it also largely depends on the order things happen.