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theblujay

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But Josh Johnson will not always have bad luck. Why not take the luck away?

 

He didn't have bad luck. He sucked. He was throwing meatballs and giving up hard hits all over the place. He wasn't fooling anyone.

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JSFIP

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Apparently some people who aren't very intelligent thought it was serious. Maybe the same could besaid about the thread you made, it could if you weren't serious

 

No one's as smart as you, King. That's for sure.

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Just replace them with robots, that's what these guys want.

 

Nice strawman you got there.

 

Good job, good effort.

 

potassium

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DuckDuckGose

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Just replace them with robots, that's what these guys want.

 

You bring up a good point though about the foul ball. There's so little separating a swinging strike from a hit that numbers will never be able to 100% predict it.

 

Statistical analysis does not equal predicting individual events.

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havok24

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Do you have anything to say about the debate? Or just dismissing what I'm saying because it doesn't fit the hivemind?

 

Do you like Jeff Locke?

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Save Dtieb

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Kershaw with a "stat' of 9.46 is what I want to talk about. That is ridiculous. Cy Young hands down.

 

Those are his results, and not his projected results.

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theblujay

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Pitchers can't control individual events. However, their skill-sets will influence batted ball rates over a large sample.

 

Sure, and you know what the best way to see their skill-sets is? Watching them pitch. Not using FIP. Sometimes we just have to put the calculator down and look at whats going on.

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Thanks!!!!!!!! That means so much from someone who said "WALKS ARE OVERRATED HURRRRRRRRRRR"

 

Actually I didn't say "HURRRRRRRR"

 

You should be more particular with quotes, especially considering that you got all pissy when I brought up the Bautista "joke."

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HoweHamilton

 

Josh Hamilton

 

Do you like Jeff Locke?

 

He is the living embodiment of luck, which as a Blue Jays fan angers me

 

Kershaw with a "stat' of 9.46 is what I want to talk about. That is ridiculous. Cy Young hands down.

 

Those are his results, and not his projected results.

 

To be fair, FIP measures results. Just not the results you like, lol.

 

Am I the only one who doesn't hate this stat with the passion of 1000 white hot burning suns? :(

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Josh Hamilton

 

 

 

He is the living embodiment of luck, which as a Blue Jays fan angers me

 

 

 

To be fair, FIP measures results. Just not the results you like, lol.

 

Am I the only one who doesn't hate this stat with the passion of 1000 white hot burning suns? :(

 

Josh Johnson. The circle is complete

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"I'll say it: WALKS ARE OVERRATED

Go ahead, disagree with me. I'm sure all of you sabermetrics idiots will instantly. It's the truth, that's all. SOOOOOOOO overrated by everyone on this board."

 

It was borderline retard and got worse as you posted in the thread

 

Delete your account

 

No. You delete yours. You're not the real king, you're a fake. That's what you are

theblujay Dunedin Blue Jays

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Looks like I've disturbed the hivemind pretty badly here by mentioning some conflicting ideas...

 

I'm done for now, but I'm happy to continue debating why Cabrera was better than Trout last year some other time.

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[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]18[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Chris Sale[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]White Sox[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, bgcolor: #E5E5E5, align: right]165.1[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]23[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.78[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]175[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]36[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]9.53[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.96[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.07[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]46.7 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.86[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]4.6[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]5.4 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.95[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]19[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Jon Lester[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Red Sox[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, bgcolor: #E5E5E5, align: right]165.0[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]26[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]4.09[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]135[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]53[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]7.36[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.89[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.33[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]45.8 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.89[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.7[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]7.5 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]4.01[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgAltRow]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]20[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Homer Bailey[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Reds[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, bgcolor: #E5E5E5, align: right]164.0[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]25[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.68[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]161[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]37[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]8.84[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.03[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.14[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]46.8 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.13[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.3[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]5.5 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.21[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]21[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Mark Buehrle[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Blue Jays[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, bgcolor: #E5E5E5, align: right]164.0[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]26[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]4.23[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]111[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]42[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]6.09[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.30[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.33[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]43.7 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]4.16[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.9[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]6.0 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]4.28[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgAltRow]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]22[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Cliff Lee[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Phillies[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, bgcolor: #E5E5E5, align: right]163.2[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]23[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.19[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]151[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]27[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]8.30[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.48[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.04[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]44.6 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.09[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.2[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]4.2 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.18[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]23[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Madison Bumgarner[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Giants[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, bgcolor: #E5E5E5, align: right]163.0[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]25[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.87[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]157[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]50[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]8.67[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.76[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.02[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]45.6 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.16[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.7[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]7.7 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.48[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgAltRow]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]24[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Jordan Zimmermann[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Nationals[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, bgcolor: #E5E5E5, align: right]163.0[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]25[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.37[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]121[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]33[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]6.68[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.82[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.11[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]47.9 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.59[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.3[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]5.0 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.74[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]25[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Eric Stults[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Padres[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, bgcolor: #E5E5E5, align: right]163.0[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]26[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.70[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]102[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]35[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]5.63[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.93[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.25[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]40.2 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.26[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.7[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]5.1 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]4.37[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgAltRow]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]26[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Bronson Arroyo[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Reds[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, bgcolor: #E5E5E5, align: right]161.2[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]25[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.40[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]101[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]26[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]5.62[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.45[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.11[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]44.0 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.97[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.6[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]4.0 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]4.09[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]27[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Doug Fister[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Tigers[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, bgcolor: #E5E5E5, align: right]161.1[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]25[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.63[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]121[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]31[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]6.75[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.73[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.25[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]56.7 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.28[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.5[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]4.6 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.38[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgAltRow]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]28[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Yu Darvish[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Rangers[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, bgcolor: #E5E5E5, align: right]161.0[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]24[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.68[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]214[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]55[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]11.96[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.07[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.02[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]41.6 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.05[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]4.3[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]8.5 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.68[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgRow, bgcolor: #E5E5E5]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]29[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Mat Latos[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Reds[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]161.0[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]25[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.02[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]160[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]49[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]8.94[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.74[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.24[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]44.4 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.94[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.8[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]7.2 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.49[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR=class: rgAltRow]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]30[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Lance Lynn[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular]Cardinals[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, bgcolor: #E5E5E5, align: right]161.0[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]26[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.97[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]153[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]61[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]8.55[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.41[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]1.27[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]43.1 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.19[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]2.8[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]9.0 %[/TD]

[TD=class: grid_line_regular, align: right]3.84[/TD]

[/TR]

[/TABLE]

 

Ya, that 9.46 is what really pushed me over the edge.

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Save Dtieb

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To be fair, FIP measures results. Just not the results you like, lol.

 

Am I the only one who doesn't hate this stat with the passion of 1000 white hot burning suns? :(

 

Sure, it "measures" results. I just feel like hits, walks, and earned runs are the most important pitching stats. strikeouts are good too, but that's factored in by being a non-hit.

JSFIP Draft Eligible

JSFIP

Verified Member
Posted
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You are a Arencibia fanboy, your opinion means nothing to me

 

Ok. I'm hurt now. King doesn't like me. What am I gonna do?

GD MVP

GD

Old-Timey Member
Posted
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Sure, it "measures" results. I just feel like hits, walks, and earned runs are the most important pitching stats. strikeouts are good too, but that's factored in by being a non-hit.

 

Alright, and that's your opinion. I see you are more inclined to results as opposed to process, per se, but I respectfully disagree for the reasons I've outlined ITT

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havok24

Old-Timey Member
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Looks like I've disturbed the hivemind pretty badly here by mentioning some conflicting ideas...

 

I'm done for now, but I'm happy to continue debating why Cabrera was better than Trout last year some other time.

 

Are you going to omit the part about defense and baserunning?

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