NBA Thread

[SpeedyGose]

raps have more talent than the heat? really?

 

broken kyle lowry vs goran dragic (I DUNNO, PROBABLY DRAGIC BUT ONLY CUZ LOWRYS HURTING)

dwyane wade vs demar derozan (WADE EASILY)

joe johnson vs broken-ish demarre carroll (PUSH)

luol deng vs patrick patterson (DENG IS BETTER)

hassan whiteside vs jonas valanciunas (WHITESIDE IS BETTER)

MIA Bench of Richardson, Winslow, Stoudemire, & McRoberts vs TOR Bench of Joseph, Biyombo, Powell, & Ross (OUR BENCH KILLS THEM)

 

Even if Lowry was healthy and Carroll was consistent I still think it would be a push talent-wise at absolute best.

 

I'd argue that Carroll is an advantage over joe johnson and Patterson and Deng will be a push.

[SpeedyGose]

Series will come down to, can we get Whiteside into foul trouble?

[jays_fever]

A healthy Raptors team vs a healthy Heat team would have been a pretty good series. We might have a chance if Powell plays 30 minutes a game. Highly doubt it though.

 

Demar's earned his chance to take 30 shots a game

[burlingtonbandit]

Funny thing with seeing Bautista there yesterday is that he's a huge Heat fan. Wonder if he'll wear a Heat hat at the game if he goes lol

[GD]

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/117729/nba-playoffs-teams-bpi-chances-to-advance

 

LOL @ us having a 66% chance

[KingKat]

Funny thing with seeing Bautista there yesterday is that he's a huge Heat fan. Wonder if he'll wear a Heat hat at the game if he goes lol

 

Pull a Liam Hendriks? I doubt it. Probably just go neutral à la Russell Martin.

[crazy47larry]

I'd argue that Carroll is an advantage over joe johnson and Patterson and Deng will be a push.

 

Carroll's been inconsistent so its tough. The real problem is whoever Carroll/Powell is not covering is going to run rampant over DeRozan and Coach Casey never really plays Carroll + Powell together.

Dengs head and shoulders better than PatPat. Dengs also absolutely killing it in the playoffs so far. No contest there really.

[Captain Adama]

Guys I put 20$ on the Heat beating the Raps. Did I make a good bet?

[SpeedyGose]

How is Deng head and shoulders over Patterson? Patterson had a better ORTG, DRTG, virtually identical shooting %s, only thing Deng has on him is usage rate. I'll give you that, he's a higher usage player; however, Patterson over the course of the season + playoffs has been a bigger impact player easily.

[SpeedyGose]

Guys I put 20$ on the Heat beating the Raps. Did I make a good bet?

 

It will be close, likely a 7 game series...cross your fingers and your toes lol

[crazy47larry]

How is Deng head and shoulders over Patterson? Patterson had a better ORTG, DRTG, virtually identical shooting %s, only thing Deng has on him is usage rate. I'll give you that, he's a higher usage player; however, Patterson over the course of the season + playoffs has been a bigger impact player easily.

 

PLAYOFF STATS

 

Luol Deng PER = 23.2

Patrick Patterson PER = 13.6

Luol Deng TS% = .690

Patrick Patterson TS% = .581

Luol Deng WS = 1.4

Patrick Patterson WS = 0.5

Luol Deng WS/48 = .277

Patrick Patterson WS/48 = .118

Luol Deng BPM = 7.8

Patrick Patterson BPM = 2.4

Luol Deng VORP = 0.6

Patrick Patterson VORP = 0.2

 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/denglu01.html#playoffs_advanced::none

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pattepa01.html#playoffs_advanced::none

 

I am really confident that Deng's advanced stats beat Patterson in the regular season aswell. I started with the eye test though honestly. I just know Deng is a better NBA player than Patterson is all.

[GD]

Patterson was s*** in the regular season and Deng was useful. That's all that should really be looked at. Deng > Patterson but it won't be an important factor I don't think

[SpeedyGose]

PLAYOFF STATS

 

Luol Deng PER = 23.2

Patrick Patterson PER = 13.6

Luol Deng TS% = .690

Patrick Patterson TS% = .581

Luol Deng WS = 1.4

Patrick Patterson WS = 0.5

Luol Deng WS/48 = .277

Patrick Patterson WS/48 = .118

Luol Deng BPM = 7.8

Patrick Patterson BPM = 2.4

Luol Deng VORP = 0.6

Patrick Patterson VORP = 0.2

 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/denglu01.html#playoffs_advanced::none

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pattepa01.html#playoffs_advanced::none

 

I am really confident that Deng's advanced stats beat Patterson in the regular season aswell. I started with the eye test though honestly. I just know Deng is a better NBA player than Patterson is all.

 

They don't beat his in the regular season. Check it out. Saying you just know he is better, doesn't in fact make him better. Patterson was easily better throughout the whole regular season, that trumps 7 games where Deng played over his true talent level.

[SpeedyGose]

Patterson was s*** in the regular season and Deng was useful. That's all that should really be looked at. Deng > Patterson but it won't be an important factor I don't think

 

I'm pretty confident it will be a neutral battle

[dineke]

patterson doesn't put up great boxscore stats but his impact has been tremendous this season on both ends. I'd take him over Deng imo.

[jays_fever]

Patterson could actually be a productive offensive player with an actual system put in place. Casey needs him to just stand out on the arc to create space for DeRozan to bounce the ball off his foot though. He's solid but his usage is so low and barely takes any shots

[crazy47larry]

They don't beat his in the regular season. Check it out. Saying you just know he is better, doesn't in fact make him better. Patterson was easily better throughout the whole regular season, that trumps 7 games where Deng played over his true talent level.

 

oye. i figured you'd make me go there. okay here goes

 

REGULAR SEASON STATS

 

Luol Deng PER = 15.0

Patrick Patterson PER = 10.6

Luol Deng TS% = .549

Patrick Patterson TS% = .534

Luol Deng WS = 6.4

Patrick Patterson WS = 3.6

Luol Deng WS/48 = .128

patrick Patterson WS/48 = .086

Luol Deng BPM = 1.9

Patrick Patterson BPM = 1.0

Luol Deng VORP = 2.3

Patrick Patterson VORP = 1.5

 

Deng also has a lower TO% and higher USG%.

 

Deng even had a higher ORtg and lower DRtg in both the regular season and playoffs.

 

using advanced stats Deng is better in literally every single metric. and watching and knowing basketball he is also better in every scouting and eye test.

 

game, set, match?

[crazy47larry]

Patterson could actually be a productive offensive player with an actual system put in place. Casey needs him to just stand out on the arc to create space for DeRozan to bounce the ball off his foot though. He's solid but his usage is so low and barely takes any shots

 

thing is even when he is floating around the 3pt line all game he passes up a lot of those open 3 pointers. it vexes me greatly. its really the only thing that annoys me about him because he is a solid all around player (just not as solid as luol deng *derp*). i just hope we dont need him to defend joe johnson again lol. what a clusterf*** he gave us that year.

[jays_fever]

He could take more, though he seems really keen on taking rhythm shots and not forcing anything. That's all the more reason though to keep him more involved with the offense. He swings the ball pretty effectively and doesn't hold onto the ball killing the shot clock like a lot of our other players. Overall he's just a solid option to have surrounding ideally your star players, though we have just the 1 and he's hurt.

 

Cojo/Lowry/Powell/Patterson/JV(or Bismack) can actually compete with the Heat.

[GD]

I didn't realize how fire JV's advanced stats were until today

[TRM]

I didn't realize how fire JV's advanced stats were until today

 

He's an advanced stat darling

[GD]

He's an advanced stat darling

 

I knew but like

 

.211 WS/48? f***

[SpeedyGose]

oye. i figured you'd make me go there. okay here goes

 

REGULAR SEASON STATS

 

Luol Deng PER = 15.0

Patrick Patterson PER = 10.6

Luol Deng TS% = .549

Patrick Patterson TS% = .534

Luol Deng WS = 6.4

Patrick Patterson WS = 3.6

Luol Deng WS/48 = .128

patrick Patterson WS/48 = .086

Luol Deng BPM = 1.9

Patrick Patterson BPM = 1.0

Luol Deng VORP = 2.3

Patrick Patterson VORP = 1.5

 

Deng also has a lower TO% and higher USG%.

 

Deng even had a higher ORtg and lower DRtg in both the regular season and playoffs.

 

using advanced stats Deng is better in literally every single metric. and watching and knowing basketball he is also better in every scouting and eye test.

 

game, set, match?

 

Fair enough, I did not look that deep on the advanced stats as NBA.com doesn't show those ones (or at least I can't find them). I saw the shooting stats were quite comparable as well as AST% REB% while Patterson was a 109-100 and Deng 104-102.

 

On another note, anyone have predictions for tonight final score?

[jays_fever]

We got this.

 

For all the s*** we give DeRozan, he pretty much played worse than anyone could imagine and we still beat a team with a player better than anyone on Miami

[GD]

Predictions?

 

I can't go against us just yet so I'll go with the bare minimum and say Raptors in 7 while praying Lowry isn't dead (And Derozan is?)

[dineke]

heat is the better team unless Lowry finds his shot.

[SpeedyGose]

I like what Casey has done here. Powell in for Patterson. Powell on Wade and Carroll on Johnson, I think Demar can reasonably guard Deng.

[burlingtonbandit]

I like what Casey has done here. Powell in for Patterson. Powell on Wade and Carroll on Johnson, I think Demar can reasonably guard Deng.

 

Kind of scared by that Powell matchup on Wade. But I guess with Derozan you kind of have to do it.

[GD]

young Wade vs old Wade

 

best fans in the league btw

[burlingtonbandit]

Saw you could get tickets for $60 on stubhub earlier today for the game.