GDT (1/4): Baltimore Orioles @ Toronto Blue Jays - Dickey vs. Hammel - 7:07 PM EST

[Atothe]

No way in f***ing hell is Kawa better then Reyes. Reyes is special, he literally was a delight to watch play. Can't wait for that Dominican sob to come back

[Candy Maldonado]

Listen what I am saying in the long run yes Reyes is probably the better player. But right now, Kawa is hot Reyes will not be playing at his top level for some games after coming back. In addition, I believe Reyes is slightly overrated and Kawa underrated. So it's not as automatic a move as you may think. Dig deeper a little more and think about it.

 

You're overrated as a poster but underrated as a troll.

[DH12]

No way in f***ing hell is Kawa better then Reyes. Reyes is special, he literally was a delight to watch play. Can't wait for that Dominican sob to come back

 

 

Kawa is the heart and soul of this team right now

[GD]

I think you just broke the internet.

 

Is this even real life?

[Atothe]

I guess dickey is the heart and soul of this pitching staff as well. Unbelievably trolltastic

[ElNik2013]

Thing is, Reyes' return doesn't have to be the end of the Kawasaki era. I believe a Kawasaki/Izturis 2B platoon is better than a Bonifacio/Izturis platoon.

 

Kawasaki could also be kept around longer by DL'ing Cabrera upon Reyes' return as Bonifacio can play the outfield. I have to say that Cabrera really looks hurt, not only running/fielding, but hitting. He really can't generate as much batspeed and power with the gimp legs.

[jaysfaithful8]

Kawa is the heart and soul of this team right now

 

Though I don't agree with a lot of what you have posted, I do believe he could of helped to bridge a possible gap between the Dominicans in the clubhouse and the rest of the team (if there was one to begin with). Or at least bring the team closer together as a whole.

[DH12]

I guess dickey is the heart and soul of this pitching staff as well. Unbelievably trolltastic

 

No dickey just sucks Kawa is more valuable right now he's earned a spot on this team

[GD]

No use arguing with him guys lol, just enjoy the win and the streak. Reyes is the 23rd best shortstop in the expansion era (since 1961) by WAR, they're obviously playing him because he's a total stud.

 

The Jays have won nine in a row. A .550 talent team will win nine in a row once in every 217 samples... incredible!

 

This may be stupid as I'm sick and tired, but how'd you do the math on that?

[Deadpool]

Kawa is the heart and soul of this team right now

 

Okay, this absolutely has to be trolling...

[dmrich28]

I think they actually might send down a reliever now, today's game definitely meant something. He's playing way better than the other 2B options.

 

no way they are touching that bullpen

[GD]

Easy: 1 / .550^9 = 217.1

 

Why do you do that, though? I like knowing what I'm doing rather than just doing it haha.

[Caper]

No use arguing with him guys lol, just enjoy the win and the streak. Reyes is the 23rd best shortstop in the expansion era (since 1961) by WAR, they're obviously playing him because he's a total stud.

 

The Jays have won nine in a row. A .550 talent team will win nine in a row once in every 217 samples... incredible!

 

 

There is a point to be made though. When I hear people talk about him (some of the meatballs on PTS for example) all I ever hear is the average sighted (.200 or there about), you never hear about the .340 obp... which is much more important then average.... and is near the top of the team.

[DH12]

Kawa is not going to be sent down with the way he's played here. Even AA isn't dumb enough to do that

[Caper]

... and the other thing is... Saki will be back up eventually.

[DH12]

What a massive win. I thought Dickey f***ed it for us. But Kawasaki I love this guy. No way this guy is leaving not even possible.

 

Dickey tried his best to lose it but the mighty Kawa would not let it happen

[Caper]

Kawa is not going to be sent down with the way he's played here. Even AA isn't dumb enough to do that

 

Yeah.. he will... and that's fine. The guy has options, he will be back up at some point.

[GD]

There is a point to be made though. When I hear people talk about him (some of the meatballs on PTS for example) all I ever hear is the average sighted (.200 or there about), you never hear about the .340 obp... which is much more important then average.... and is near the top of the team.

 

To be fair, his wOBA is only .297.

[ElNik2013]

There is a point to be made though. When I hear people talk about him (some of the meatballs on PTS for example) all I ever hear is the average sighted (.200 or there about), you never hear about the .340 obp... which is much more important then average.... and is near the top of the team.

 

Agreed. I've said this before, I wouldn't mind Kawasaki at 2B with Reyes at SS. I would think he'd be a good defensive 2B and I believe his quality AB's cannot be properly quantified by his stats. I think someone mentioned a while back that he was amongst the leaders in pitches per at bat.

[Deadpool]

To be fair, his wOBA is only .297.

 

That's above average for a SS... IIRC .285 is the average for SS, read that earlier today I believe.

[IBTrini]

This was f***ing EPIC!!!!!!!

It was a pretty nice game. Lots of interesting stuff - Gibbons getting of the bench to support his pitcher and getting a call overturned, Gibbons not pulling Dickey out at the right time, Cecil continuing his amazing streak, Janssen doing his stuff, Kawasaki getting an unassisted DP and a HR, Lind and Encarnacion doing their long-ball stuff, Thole's big bunt, and Davis' unbelievable walk-off hit. Must have been a tremendous experience to be at that particular game.

[Deadpool]

Agreed. I've said this before, I wouldn't mind Kawasaki at 2B with Reyes at SS. I would think he'd be a good defensive 2B and I believe his quality AB's cannot be properly quantified by his stats. I think someone mentioned a while back that he was amongst the leaders in pitches per at bat.

 

If all else was equal, that's what I'd prefer. It's not equal, however...

 

Izturis can refuse minor league assignment, meaning that if we send him down, he can opt for free agency and we'd be on the hook for his entire contract, even if (when) he signed with another team

 

Bonifacio has no options, and he actually is a useful piece who wouldn't ever clear waivers.

 

Kawasaki is simply the odd man out in this situation (unless you want to get rid of DeRosa, but that's a whole different story...)

[GD]

That's above average for a SS... IIRC .285 is the average for SS, read that earlier today I believe.

 

Hat tip for JFaS to showing me this:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0,ss&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

.296. Muni is at .297. MUNENORI KAWASAKI IS AN ABOVE AVERAGE SHORTSTOP

 

The probability of repeating an event of p probability n times is p^n. Think about it, it makes sense. If you flip a coin three times, there's a .500^3 probability (= .125 or 1/8) that it comes up heads every time.

 

Then to convert from probability to say 'in x many samples', you can divide 1 by that number. Easy manipulation.

 

Damn, that makes sense. Thanks!

[ElNik2013]

If all else was equal, that's what I'd prefer. It's not equal, however...

 

Izturis can refuse minor league assignment, meaning that if we send him down, he can opt for free agency and we'd be on the hook for his entire contract, even if (when) he signed with another team

 

Bonifacio has no options, and he actually is a useful piece who wouldn't ever clear waivers.

 

Kawasaki is simply the odd man out in this situation (unless you want to get rid of DeRosa, but that's a whole different story...)

 

 

 

You're right, I think that the fact that Kawasaki can be optioned makes the decision easier. In the meantime, I really think that Cabrera needs to be DL'ed. we'll have to wait and see.

[jaysfaithful8]

The amount of people who cherrypick with such statistics is sickening across all mediums of analysis. It's putting the result ahead of the process and everyone is doing it. You go in thinking "let me find a stat that shows why Kawasaki isn't very good," instead of "here's why this stat shows which players are good... and after running the numbers these players are not good."

 

Kawasaki has been a very productive player, I don't understand those who argue that.

 

For what it's worth, Kawasaki has a 1.1 WAR... he could be a 3 WAR player over the course of a year. Meanwhile, Bonifacio has never had a 3 WAR season and is sitting on a -0.4 WAR for the season. Izturis is sitting on a -0.6 WAR. It's hard to see those two guys stay and Kawasaki go down. I know he has options, but you want to keep the best players on the team. He has been better than those two.

[GD]

For what it's worth, Kawasaki has a 1.1 WAR... he could be a 3 WAR player over the course of a year.

 

I don't think he's quite that good, but I could see him like a Cliff Pennington. Able to start for short periods of time but best used as a quality bench piece.

[IBTrini]

And you think Reyes will outplay Kawasaki as soon as he gets called up. I doubt that

I would be surprised if Reyes cannot better than this even with his eyes closed:

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[o2cui2i]

Lots of reactionary posts

 

But, Kawasaki is a better player right now than Bonifacio, maybe Izturis at times

 

Does Boni have options left

 

barber college?

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