2014 Pitching Staff?

[Santos]

For all the preaching that I did over the winter with friends and colleagues, I really am taking it on the chin for how this season is playing out. I won't make mention about the offence as I feel the group is a top 5 unit with Reyes healthy. The obvious problem is the pitching as it has been a total disaster.

 

- Dickey looks the part of a number 3 at best

- Buehrle is extremely overpaid for what he is giving us. No more then a number 4

- Morrow looks lost

- Romero is lost

- JJ as been a total bust

 

I'm curious to hear everyone's ideas as to how to fix this next year. I doubt we move Buehrle unless we eat a large portion of money. If that's the case, it's probably best to keep him around as a number 4 or 5. Dickey is fine as our three and the money he makes is quite reasonable for that...just sucks since we were counting on him to be our ace. Everything else is totally up in the air.

 

What would you all do cause I don't have a single clue

[dineke]

Doesn't matter who's in the pitching staff, they all gonna get hurt anyway.

[jaysblue]

For all the preaching that I did over the winter with friends and colleagues, I really am taking it on the chin for how this season is playing out. I won't make mention about the offence as I feel the group is a top 5 unit with Reyes healthy. The obvious problem is the pitching as it has been a total disaster.

 

- Dickey looks the part of a number 3 at best

- Buehrle is extremely overpaid for what he is giving us. No more then a number 4

- Morrow looks lost

- Romero is lost

- JJ as been a total bust

 

I'm curious to hear everyone's ideas as to how to fix this next year. I doubt we move Buehrle unless we eat a large portion of money. If that's the case, it's probably best to keep him around as a number 4 or 5. Dickey is fine as our three and the money he makes is quite reasonable for that...just sucks since we were counting on him to be our ace. Everything else is totally up in the air.

 

What would you all do cause I don't have a single clue

 

Thats a tough question.

 

I'm not sure they bring Johnson back. I don't see them moving Buehrle unless a team becomes desperate for a starter during the stretch run. Dickey is staying put obviously. Morrow can't be relied on as a No. 1 or 2 - he has shown glimpses of his potential though never over a full season due to inconsistencies and injuries. Romero is just a mess. I think they give one of the spots to Hutch (since he pitched well in his brief time here last season before he got injured).

 

So the rotation should like this in 2014 at the moment: Dickey, Morrow, Buehrle, Hutch. I don't see the Jays going after Garza or Lincecum in the offseason, since they will likely demand more than I'd be willing to offer. Plus, I don't think we have seen AA hand out an enormous FA contract to a big name starter or bat - mostly all the big names have been acquired through trade.

 

Doc would be a nice guy to roll the dice on as a No. 5 starter. I'm sure it would be a marketing move but regardless the rotation still would have large question marks.

 

A.J. Burnett is an interesting FA, though he'll be 37 and I think he's better off suited in the NL somewhere rather than the AL East again.

 

I just don't see AA dipping into free agency - could be wrong but his previous big name acquisitions have all been through trade.

[ElNik2013]

For all the preaching that I did over the winter with friends and colleagues, I really am taking it on the chin for how this season is playing out. I won't make mention about the offence as I feel the group is a top 5 unit with Reyes healthy. The obvious problem is the pitching as it has been a total disaster.

 

- Dickey looks the part of a number 3 at best

- Buehrle is extremely overpaid for what he is giving us. No more then a number 4

- Morrow looks lost

- Romero is lost

- JJ as been a total bust

 

I'm curious to hear everyone's ideas as to how to fix this next year. I doubt we move Buehrle unless we eat a large portion of money. If that's the case, it's probably best to keep him around as a number 4 or 5. Dickey is fine as our three and the money he makes is quite reasonable for that...just sucks since we were counting on him to be our ace. Everything else is totally up in the air.

 

What would you all do cause I don't have a single clue

 

 

 

Josh Johnson should be gone, but health permitting, Hutchison should be part of the plans to replace him. Drabek could be in AAA as depth, although I wouldn't count on him, he was pretty bad before the injury. Nolin and Stroman, if he pans out as a starter, could also be in AAA to start the year as depth as well. So at least depth would be in better shape.

 

The top of the rotation would still be iffy. Like you say, Dickey may never pitch like an ace again and Morrow is unreliable, but I don't see them realistically getting anyone better so it would be Dickey, Morrow, Buehrle, Hutchison and Happ unless RR figures things out. So basically, I don't think much can be done unless they're able to make trades, hopefully for younger pitchers with upside.

[jaysblue]

Also, the Jays should bring in better pitching depth for Buffalo rather than Ramon Ortiz, Aaron Laffey etc if they expect to compete. It just boggles my mind that Ramon Ortiz is getting another start tonight.

[TheHurl]

I'm curious to hear everyone's ideas as to how to fix this next year.

 

You don't, you ride it out. Probably going with Dickey, Buehrle, Morrow, Happ and Hutch. Depth will be Nolin, Deck, Drabek (if he's starting) and Jenkins. Maybe there will be a traded piece coming in as well to push the depth back by one as that's not a re-assuring group.

[jaysblue]

You don't, you ride it out. Probably going with Dickey, Buehrle, Morrow, Happ and Hutch. Depth will be Nolin, Deck, Drabek (if he's starting) and Jenkins. Maybe there will be a traded piece coming in as well to push the depth back by one as that's not a re-assuring group.

 

+1

 

I don't think you can do much like you said. You hope Dickey pitches like an ace, Morrow takes that next step forward, Buehrle gives you bulk innings at the back end, Happ pitches decently like he did before he got hurt as a No. 5 and Hutch can be a decent mid rotation arm or better in 2014.

 

Maybe a low cost/high reward type signing etc. Though I don't see the Jays bringing in a Garza or Lincecum and I don't think they even fix their rotation needs anyways. Nolin, Drabek, Deck, Jenkins, Romero as depth sounds good.

[Mike_Wilner]

The Jays have solid starting pitching. The rotation will be

 

1) Ricky Romero

2) Brandon Morrow

3) Kyle Drabek

4) RA Dickey

5) Dustin McGowan

[TheHurl]

Romero can't be counted on (not that can anyway). He's a minor league free agent at the end of each season now. Jays are paying him but he can look for work anywhere he wants.

[Mike_Wilner]

Romero can't be counted on (not that can anyway). He's a minor league free agent at the end of each season now. Jays are paying him but he can look for work anywhere he wants.

 

He's a stud and a number 2 pitcher on any team in the league.

[SAAviour]

We really need Sanchez to pitch like matt Harvey, or moore on Tampa, but that won't be for a couple years. ,

Maybe stroman can stp up next year. If we want to trade for an ace it likely starts with Bautista. Good luck getting one as a free agent.

I bet we go in to next year with:

Dickey

Morrow

Buehrle

Hutchison

Happ

 

Stroman #6 but will start year in top 5 due to an injury, likely to morrow who really should be our # 4 or 5.

 

If dickey can bounce back, and Hutchinson pitches like he was before injury it might be a middle of the league rotation....but I'm sick of if's going into every year. This was supposed to be the year with no it's!

[TheHurl]

Things I'd like to see for next year with the pitching staff.

 

No more than 1 reliever on the 40 man who isn't on the 25 man. If you aren't sure about Luis Perez, cut him, if Evan Crawford isn't making the 25 man...cut him, If Santos won't be healthy...well cut ties, Michael Schwimmer...goodbye. Stop wasting spots on relievers, your back up relievers should be your minor league starters. Adding young starters with options at low prices even if they have a low ceiling would be good for this team.

[Metallijay]

The Jays have solid starting pitching. The rotation will be

 

1) Ricky Romero

2) Brandon Morrow

3) Kyle Drabek

4) RA Dickey

5) Dustin McGowan

 

LOL at, Solid starting pitching and Romero. Some serious Homerism. Romero is done.

Edited June 2, 2013 by Metallijay

[TheHurl]

Stroman #6

 

I think if Stroman is going to get added to the 40 man I'd rather just see him in the Jays pen as the long man. 90 innings of his full max effort stuff is probably as valuable as the 150 innings going back and forth between Toronto and Buffalo. This only works if they add a couple young starting pitchers.

[Errorcebia]

It wont matter who is in the rotation as long as he who must not be named is behind the plate catching them.

[Tuco]

It wont matter who is in the rotation as long as he who must not be named is behind the plate catching them.

 

Agreed.

I bet if they played Thole or any decent enough catcher defensively, the teams pitching would improve immediately.

[Angrioter]

The Jays have solid starting pitching. The rotation will be

 

1) Ricky Romero

2) Brandon Morrow

3) Kyle Drabek

4) RA Dickey

5) Dustin McGowan

 

Reported

Time to DFA some T

[Angrioter]

There's nothing that can be done. Next year we're probably going to see:

 

Dickey

Buehrle

Morrow

Happ

Hutchison/Nolin/some guy

 

I'm assuming Johnson walks.

 

JJ will be trade to tthe dodgers for Pederson

[Metallijay]

I would be OK with this.

 

Yep, doubt he wants to be here anyway. May as well get something for him.

[connorp]

The big question will be if the return is better than the comp pick. IMO Joc Pederson is.

 

Other than the old Lansing boys (and their mlb contributions are still in question at this point), most of our comp picks over the years have been pretty worthless. Will be real disappointing if AA cant move JJ, who is equal in talent to Sanzhez last year.. and who netted a Top 25 pick. I like the odds of even a Top 50 pick over the comp system.

 

Also, honestly I think we have yet to see Dickey's better results obviously but I think he can be solid enough to get equal interest at the deadline with an attractive contract to team that can take a chance on it without serious risk.. A pretty level playing field this year and some big market teams could be in the mix for a guy like Dickey. He needs a better ballpark to reside in. The RC isn't meant for guys like MB and Dicky.

 

I would move both. If the gods smile on the Jays and MB can have a nice stretch and you can get some team to take on a portion of that.. that would be great as well..

 

This core doesn't look good. Not saying to A-bomb the whole thing.. but it's not built right.

[Sorrow]

You have Dickey, Morrow, Beurhle guaranteed. Add in Hutch, Drabek, Jenkins, Nolin and Stroman if he's not in the 'pen with long shots being in Sanchez and anyone else floating around in A and lower at the moment.

[Abomination]

Looks like quite a few middle end starters on the FA list next year too, although a little light on higher end (Halladay if he returns to normal, Johnson, Kuroda): Garza, possibly Floyd or Hammel, Haren, Hudson, Hughes, possibly Lincecum (his xfip is still pretty good), Marcum, Nolasco, Oswalt, Ervin Santana

[Angrioter]

Looks like quite a few middle end starters on the FA list next year too, although a little light on higher end (Halladay if he returns to normal, Johnson, Kuroda): Garza, possibly Floyd or Hammel, Haren, Hudson, Hughes, possibly Lincecum (his xfip is still pretty good), Marcum, Nolasco, Oswalt, Ervin Santana

 

-Halladay isn't the same.

-Lincecum negative surplus value (17 AAV)

-Haren/Floyd/Hughes aren't big deal

-Garza/Marcum bug injury

-Oswart/Kuroda too old

 

 

Trade is the ideal

[Angrioter]

Also: (age)

 

Roberto Hernandez (33)

Jeff Karstens (31)

Scott Kazmir (30)

Colby Lewis (34)

Ted Lilly (38)

Paul Maholm (32)

Ervin Santana (31)

Jason Vargas (31)

 

Decent #3/4 options. We were never going to sign an ace anyway.

 

Basura, basura y mas basura..

 

Santana

2012 - 19% HR/FB (pitcher friendly Park)

2013 - 16.7 % HR/FB (AL comedy Central)

[Angrioter]

Lewis, Maholm and Vargas could all be okay.

 

Lewins is great (as a #4)

Vargas and Maholm no K, no AL East (ALA Buehrle)

[GD]

Dickey

Buehrle

Morrow

Hutchison

Drabek

 

Is what I'm guessing.