The last time Arencibia walked? 1 month ago today

[Deadpool]

JPA doesn't compete with anyone, he's already a winner.

 

 

legend in his own lunch time.

 

Time is an illusion, lunch time, doubly so... /HHGTTG

[connorp]

Yeah, when some players are back in the mix it will be different. I just meant for now, hitting JPA 5th really isn't terrible managing.. it's an indictment of the current state of the lineup.

[Clownthopoulos]

since we traded d'arnaud its OBVIOUS that AA has faith in JPA

he wont let his ego be bruised and demote him, AA knows that he has no catcher now that he traded travis

better get use to JPA folks cause unless AA gets canned we aint seeing someone else

[connorp]

A sub .250 OBP shouldn't be anywhere near the lineup.

 

Unfortunately you have Lawrie, Boni, and Izzy sitting there too.... Kawa and his .280 SLG only makes sense at the #9 hole. Only Rasmus would be his comp with the band of misfits in the lineup the last few days.

[IronLadle]

I'm sick of hearing about OBP, can't understand why people think it's the be all end all of stats

[Clownthopoulos]

i still think JP is a great catcher offensively

how many catchers can hit 30 home runs in a year?

[Dr Negative]

I'm sick of hearing about OBP, can't understand why people think it's the be all end all of stats

 

Because if you are getting on base, you are not making outs.

[connorp]

troll bait being tossed out..lol

[Fearthedoc]

I'm sick of hearing about OBP, can't understand why people think it's the be all end all of stats

 

Would you prefer to hear about his sub .300 wOBA, .225 BA, 55-2 K:BB or 0.2 WAR (through 46 games) instead?

[IronLadle]

Would you prefer to hear about his sub .300 wOBA, .225 BA, 55-2 K:BB or 0.2 WAR (through 46 games) instead?

 

I'd prefer to hear about what better option we have than Arencibia

[P2F]

Your really really dumn.

 

Fo' real.

[IronLadle]

Your really really dumn.

 

You wrote that already, tell me what other option we have than Arencibia

[IronLadle]

Is this a real life post?

 

Who else would you play?

[bzapple]

I really thought JPA might draw a walk against Strop there. My heart was racing.

[IronLadle]

Obviously Josh Thole. But even if Thole didn't exist, lack of an in house replacement is a stupid justification for playing for him. He's about as good a catcher as Munenori Kawasaki is a shortstop. That is to say, he's replacement-level, maybe a touch above. If as an organization you can't come up with better than replacement-level talent, you're doing it wrong. Last offseason alone we watched as David Ross and Russell Martin signed elsewhere - both are huge upgrades on Arencibia.

 

The guy who hit .234, 1 HR in the NL last year? That guy? He didn't win a gold glove - if you were a GM, would you trade Arencibia for Thole?

[IronLadle]

Thole plays slightly better D (doesn't throw real well), hit for about the same average and a OBP maybe under .300. I'll take the clutch hitting, higher HR and RBI totals.

[connorp]

I will hop on the troll side and say if Thole is going to come up and put up .230/.290/.320 or something.. I would rather stick with JPA. Need the xbh in the lineup.. even if he moves to the back end of the lineup.

[IronLadle]

Thole only had 27 BB last year, I consider a HR the equivalent of 4 walks

[IronLadle]

lol

A walk is only one base a HR is 4 bases

[connorp]

Well.. I guess ideally I'd like to see him come up as the 2nd C and show 2012 was a thing of the past before taking JPA out of the picture.

[Nox]

Thole only had 27 BB last year, I consider a HR the equivalent of 4 walks

 

oh my

[sachmo55]

Thole's career wOBA is 0.295, and Steamer has him at 0.302. If he's going to be in that range he's easily better than JP.

 

Serious question would be, who would be the backup to hit lefties?

[HERPDERP]

the ceeb with 4 rbi's tonight

 

hatters gonna hat

[sachmo55]

Thole only had 27 BB last year, I consider a HR the equivalent of 4 walks

 

2.978

[Fearthedoc]

Thole only had 27 BB last year, I consider a HR the equivalent of 4 walks

 

What is this sorcery?

[Fearthedoc]

2.978

 

Where did you get that number? I got 2.708

[connorp]

Ideally we don't rely on him at all because we have a valid starter. But a platoon between JPA and Thole is the best way to use the players we do have.

 

Yeah, an upgrade a C would have been good.. but I mean really, when you have a $120m team that goes bust, the worse move they made wasn't sticking with a C somewhere between a starter and replacement level who makes $500k/year. He cant be Public Enemy #1

[sachmo55]

Where did you get that number? I got 2.708

 

I have no idea if I did it right

 

I took fangraph's wOBA values for walks and HR's: 0.691 & 2.058

2.058/0.691 = 2.978

[Dr Negative]

Yeah, an upgrade a C would have been good.. but I mean really, when you have a $120m team that goes bust, the worse move they made wasn't sticking with a C somewhere between a starter and replacement level who makes $500k/year. He cant be Public Enemy #1

 

Well yeah the starting pitching is the main problem and they should all be ashamed of their performance so far but the JPA/Rasmus/Lawrie/Bonafacio axis of underachievement aren't exactly helping things much.

[Fearthedoc]

I have no idea if I did it right

 

I took fangraph's wOBA values for walks and HR's: 0.691 & 2.058

2.058/0.691 = 2.978

 

Oh okay yeah we just used slightly different wOBA values. I figured that was the case since our numbers were pretty similar.