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GDT(2/3): Toronto Blue Jays @ Boston Red Sox - Buehrle vs. Buchholz - 1:35 PM ET

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if we're lucky it'll rain everywhere until around the all-star break

 

Unfortunately that doesn't help with home games :(

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Because ERA is such a good measurement of pitcher ability...

 

His FIP is equally atrocious at 6.36 so it's "real" and not bad luck

 

Of course we all knew he's been terrible...

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His FIP is equally atrocious at 6.36 so it's "real" and not bad luck

 

Of course we all knew he's been terrible...

 

Nobody can deny he's been bad this year, but career numbers still matter. For a guy with his track record of consistency it's pretty dumb to write him off after a bad month, and laughable to consider him worse than Ramon Ortiz.

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xFIP is 4.96. He is getting extremely unlucky with HR/FB. 18.6% right now compared to 11.3% league average last year and his career 10.1%.

 

Interesting extra info

 

Is HR per FP really strongly influenced by luck though or more just a measure of how hittable a guy is?

 

Not questioning you, just seriously asking

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Nobody can deny he's been bad this year, but career numbers still matter. For a guy with his track record of consistency it's pretty dumb to write him off after a bad month, and laughable to consider him worse than Ramon Ortiz.

 

I agree with you there...

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Interesting extra info

 

Is HR per FP really strongly influenced by luck though or more just a measure of how hittable a guy is?

 

Not questioning you, just seriously asking

 

Yea I think I saw somewhere that he's given up the biggest average distance in hrs or something so it might not be all luck.

 

He's definitely not this bad though.

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Does no one else realize how terrible Ortiz pitched last night? 5 BB and 1 K. Got extremely lucky with LOB and BABIP with runners on.

 

It was all luck, nothing to do with making good pitches low in the zone to induce ground balls. Buerhle has yet to have an outing as good lol.

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Hanrahan officially out for the season

 

Thought it was a Jays player for a second

 

http://i.imgur.com/hXJRQwC.jpg

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Because ERA is such a good measurement of pitcher ability...

 

Umm you been watching right? No one with a brain can argue buerhle has been nothing short of horrendous, please. Every thing he has done has been a disaster. A control pitcher with no control throwing junk balls over the heart of the plate, thats what he has been so far. He may get better, but he is on the decline with below average stuff.

 

Also no one said ortiz was better he said right now he has more confidence in ortiz...cannot blame him buerhle has been a disaster. Until he shows he can be better, he isn't.

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how do I get a GIF posted and working in the chat????

 

yeah, as you are about to be sucked from sight, blast your competition with your last gasp of air. lol

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Buehrle has been unlucky with HR/FB. But he still hasn't been great (4.96 xFIP). But I was referring to Ortiz. Ortiz was horrendous but extremely lucky (6.00 xFIP) and now the organization thinks he did well and will throw him out there to get punished once more.

 

Unlucky with HR's? LOL making horrendous junk ball pitches and falling behind is not unlucky. Also, ortiz made some good pitches to enduce double plays its not just luck. YEs buerhle is better then ortiz, but so far this season he has not been, he's been a horror show.

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I never said Ortiz was better than Buehrle. I just said that I expected Ortiz to pitch a better game yesterday than I expect Buehrle to pitch today.
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Lineup optimization gets me hard too. But I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not so...

 

lol no I actually love this line up. Good to see someone actually using advanced stats to help win ball games

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this is what Buehrle needs to do today!!!

 

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