The Prospect/Minor Leagues Thread

[Daniel Labude]

Kiley McDaniel

 

Once I get some time (should be next few days), I'll write up Hoffman and Alex Reyes. Hoffman was 93-97 last night, curveball flashed the same as it was before TJ and he threw the changeup a lot more often. TOR has made his delivery less aggressive, more upright and more crossfire and he throws a slower curve most of the time, saving the best one for when he needs it. He's also pitching to contact to limit pitch count and using his third best pitch (CH) more, which explains the lower than expected K rate. I'll elaborate more, but this is more wait and see than good or bad. More important to see if TOR lets Hoffman loose next year

 

Thanks for post....shows much on here know jack s*** as usual

[Mikeleelop]

Comment From Not the guy from the comment section

 

Any comps for Anthony Alford? What kind of tools does he have? 70 speed, 55 hit, 45 power with 60 raw?

 

 

Kiley McDaniel

 

70 run, 55 raw. Upside is enormous and this is his first year fulltime playing baseball http://www.fangraphs.com/bl...

 

 

less than a minute ago

[GD]

It's almost like these people believe fastballs can't miss bats.

 

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[Mikeleelop]

Comment From Alex

 

Heard anything about Clinton Hollon's start back from TJ?

 

 

Kiley McDaniel

 

Per FG prospects writer Chris King he was 91-93 t95 in his first extended spring start off TJ

 

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[Mikeleelop]

Comment From Curioso

 

Matt Boyd. He's cruising through the minors but his projections are still kinda meh. Do you see him continuing his success or see him dive bombing fast?

 

Kiley McDaniel

 

Talked about him in last week's chat. Stuff randomly ticked up and he's a guy now. You'll see him higher on lists this offseason (and sooner from me, when I update the lists).

 

 

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[Boxcar]

Thanks for post....shows much on here know jack s*** as usual

 

You didn't know anything either.

[Mikeleelop]

Comment From Mike

 

Off of the Osuna question...would an org see more value in Osuna as a mid rotation starter or higher end reliever like he is right now?

 

Kiley McDaniel

 

mid rotation starter is worth more than basically every reliever in baseball, maybe minus a couple of them. It's just much harder to do one and people already thought Osuna may not be able to do it

[Daniel Labude]

You didn't know anything either.

 

Maybe....maybe not

[Daniel Labude]

He got destroyed but he will never admit it. This is as close as you will get him to say it.

 

I know, it's funny how some people can't take being wrong. Happens to everyone

[theblujay]

You didn't know anything either.

 

His point was we don't know what he's being told. You were adamant you were right.

 

Wrong once again

[Mikeleelop]

Comment From mikeleelop

 

why would the Jays change Hoffman delivery? Also your comment about "letting Hoffman loose next year" means he's holding back or just not a max effort guy?

 

 

Kiley McDaniel

 

 

This is Hoffman as an amateur. He's aggressive down the hill, exploding at the plate. He isn't that now, much closer to Aaron Sanchez mechanically.

 

I hope TOR is toning it down, having him pitch to contact, not throw the hard CB (his best pitch), throw more CH as a way to limit the pitch count to protect his arm while it's more fragile, as he's coming off of elbow surgery. I don't know if that is the case, but I hope that's what it is.

[Boxcar]

His point was we don't know what he's being told. You were adamant you were right.

 

Wrong once again

 

Where was I adamant? The issue here is that you're barely literate, please have someone else read things and explain them to you before having an opinion, mmk?

[Boxcar]

"I hope TOR is toning it down, having him pitch to contact, not throw the hard CB (his best pitch), throw more CH as a way to limit the pitch count to protect his arm while it's more fragile, as he's coming off of elbow surgery. I don't know if that is the case, but I hope that's what it is."

 

Hardly sounds definitive. You guys are pathetic.

[baubau]

Thanks for post....shows much on here know jack s*** as usual

 

Out of curiosity, how many times have you seen Hoffman pitch live?

[Daniel Labude]

Out of curiosity, how many times have you seen Hoffman pitch live?

 

Live as in person....haven't had the chance yet

Live as watching a game....quite a bit, more in college than pros obviously

[DuckDuckGose]

I really like Hoffman and believe the K #'s will rise but there is no reason to pile on Boxcar here. He hasn't said anything that wasn't rooted in the facts.

[Daniel Labude]

I really like Hoffman and believe the K #'s will rise but there is no reason to pile on Boxcar here. He hasn't said anything that wasn't rooted in the facts.

 

In assumptions

[Boxcar]

In assumptions

 

I didn't assume anything. You guys did.

[nmrch]

Boxcar and all the other Hoffman skeptics are right, f*** Kiley McDaniel and all these useless f***ing scouts, they care more about a narrative than the facts. There is absolutely no excuse for Hoffman's horrible numbers, we can sit there and pretend like performance doesn't matter just because its our guy but things don't work that way. No one is saying Hoffman is a bust yet but results matter, always! This nonsense about secondary pitches or changing mechanics is just that, ultimately the game is about getting outs and so far Hoffman is not good at it.

[nmrch]

I didn't assume anything. You guys did.

 

Its one thing i've learned over the years, there is no argument that will defeat homerism, its just not possible. People will always have a problem with objectively evaluating "our" guys and magical reasons for why bad results don't matter will always pop up. How long did it take for people to admit that Deck McGuire was f***ing useless, or Chad Jenkins, some still think he's worth something.

[Daniel Labude]

I didn't assume anything. You guys did.

 

You assumed the stats were proving your opinion while others tried to point out the stats were misleading for a possible multitude of reasons. Yet instead of conceding the fact that nobody knows for sure you decided to s*** on the opinions that differed from yours.

[DuckDuckGose]

In assumptions

 

He's discussing the numbers the rest of us are assuming they will improve or that we are lacking context. I disagree with Boxcar but he isn't wrong in what he has said.

[Jimcanuck]

Boxcar and all the other Hoffman skeptics are right, f*** Kiley McDaniel and all these useless f***ing scouts, they care more about a narrative than the facts. There is absolutely no excuse for Hoffman's horrible numbers, we can sit there and pretend like performance doesn't matter just because its our guy but things don't work that way. No one is saying Hoffman is a bust yet but results matter, always! This nonsense about secondary pitches or changing mechanics is just that, ultimately the game is about getting outs and so far Hoffman is not good at it.

 

a lot of dumn

[Daniel Labude]

Boxcar and all the other Hoffman skeptics are right, f*** Kiley McDaniel and all these useless f***ing scouts, they care more about a narrative than the facts. There is absolutely no excuse for Hoffman's horrible numbers, we can sit there and pretend like performance doesn't matter just because its our guy but things don't work that way. No one is saying Hoffman is a bust yet but results matter, always! This nonsense about secondary pitches or changing mechanics is just that, ultimately the game is about getting outs and so far Hoffman is not good at it.

 

Lol

[nmrch]

You assumed the stats were proving your opinion while others tried to point out the stats were misleading for a possible multitude of reasons. Yet instead of conceding the fact that nobody knows for sure you decided to s*** on the opinions that differed from yours.

 

Stats are misleading because its "our" guy and because we're invested in him, that's the argument, end of story!

[Daniel Labude]

He's discussing the numbers the rest of us are assuming they will improve or that we are lacking context. I disagree with Boxcar but he isn't wrong in what he has said.

 

That's kind of what my point is usually with him. Stats don't tell the whole story.

[Daniel Labude]

Stats are misleading because its "our" guy and because we're invested in him, that's the argument, end of story!

 

One thing is for sure....some on here need to learn the Minors are not treated ike the Big Leagues by the players, the coaches, the front office, the game plans, etc.

[nmrch]

That's kind of what my point is usually with him. Stats don't tell the whole story.

 

The stats don't tell a comforting story is what you really mean. I'm not necessarily faulting you or anyone for this, homerism is understandable but to attack others because they can actually evaluate things objectively while still being a fan is ********.

[Jimcanuck]

The stats don't tell a comforting story is what you really mean. I'm not necessarily faulting you or anyone for this, homerism is understandable but to attack others because they can actually evaluate things objectively while still being a fan is ********.

 

Oh come on. The same guys pumping Snider based on his MiLB #'s are the same ones that said Yan who? Objective evaluation of MiLB stats is a fools errand.

[Daniel Labude]

The stats don't tell a comforting story is what you really mean. I'm not necessarily faulting you or anyone for this, homerism is understandable but to attack others because they can actually evaluate things objectively while still being a fan is ********.

 

Dude. You know jack s*** apparently, I don't fault you for this, especially if you follow most on this board